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re: Is Kanye West a musical genius?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:00 am to diddlydawg7
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:00 am to diddlydawg7
Yes next question
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:53 am to diddlydawg7
quote:this is where you are stupid, being im referring to any real instrumentation and not loops or midi in that post
This is where you sound stupid. You can say that his music isn’t difficult to make, but you can’t say he doesn’t make it.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:13 pm to SEClint
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this is where you are stupid, being im referring to any real instrumentation and not loops or midi in that post
What? I’m talking about how you’ve said multiple times than KW doesn’t even make his own music.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:26 pm to diddlydawg7
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What? I’m talking about how you’ve said multiple times than KW doesn’t even make his own music.
No you're not. I specifically said that in reference to this.
quote:and I'm tired of explaining things to you and corresponding with you on this when you can't even keep up. frick talking about a complete shithead who has delusions of grandeur because of imbeciles like you.
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Odds are, he can't do what you do
then he is no musical genius, because I know that I'm not nor would I ever claim to be. He would pay someone to come in and do all that work for him.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:43 pm to diddlydawg7
To some here he’s a genius, but to a genius, he’s no genius.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:57 pm to SEClint
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Let's see him mic a cab, dial in an amp, tune a guitar..much less a drumkit. Then, actually play every instrument, record it and mix it.
Let's see him just play the smells like teen spirit solo for starters before he's crowned a musical genius.
This is kind of where I stand with it. He definitely has talent, but musical geniuses are the next level guys who write, produce, and perform the majority of the music they are making.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:05 pm to kingbob
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What metal artist has used live drums in the last 20 years!?
you can't be serious
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:07 pm to monsterballads
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you can't be serious
Yeah, that's a terrible take.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:08 pm to Jay Are
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I'd bet money that Kanye could pretty quickly mic a cab, tune a guitar, and play an easy solo.
you'd lose. kanye doesn't know how to play a single instrument. he knows how to work a beat machine though, but I don't think that counts.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:11 pm to monsterballads
Kanye can play piano. I’ve seen it.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:16 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
So so many more albums are made with sampled drums than most would ever imagine. Beato breaks down just a few examples in this video (which also has some great info about other instruments as well). LINK
I just think it’s hypocritical to hate on Kanye for programmed drums and using lots of midi elements, while lionizing metal…which by and large uses programmed drums and lots of midi elements, especially recently. Mixing hip hop and metal require the use of a lot of similar tools and processes, even if pride gets in the way of either side acknowledging their similarities. There’s a lot of unnecessary snobbery in this thread.
I just think it’s hypocritical to hate on Kanye for programmed drums and using lots of midi elements, while lionizing metal…which by and large uses programmed drums and lots of midi elements, especially recently. Mixing hip hop and metal require the use of a lot of similar tools and processes, even if pride gets in the way of either side acknowledging their similarities. There’s a lot of unnecessary snobbery in this thread.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:31 pm to kingbob
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So so many more albums are made with sampled drums than most would ever imagine.
Sure, but most of those songs are not being used to call someone a musical genius. As a drummer, Gavin Harrison is a musical genius.
Also, triggered drum samples are much different than programmed drums. Beato is talking about using samples and production (gating) to clean up the sound of the drums, not the performance of the drums.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:34 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Samples are literally a pre-recorded drum sound. Programming drums is the act of placing samples into a mix. He’s talking about how samples were used in place of real drums in mixes, and how to use white noise, flange, chorus, and other techniques to mask it and make them sound more real.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:36 pm to kingbob
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Mixing hip hop and metal require the use of a lot of similar tools and processes, even if pride gets in the way of either side acknowledging their similarities.
Sharing production methods doesn't mean they are remotely similar in writing or performance. You still have a choice to not die on this hill.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:41 pm to kingbob
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Samples are literally a pre-recorded drum sound. Programming drums is the act of placing samples into a mix. He’s talking about how samples were used in place of real drums in mixes, and how to use white noise, flange, chorus, and other techniques to mask it and make them sound more real.
And he's talking about the work of one mainstream producer. That's not how David Bottrill works. It's not how Devin Townsend works. It isn't how Gggarth works. It isn't how Steven Wilson works.
Live sampled drums
And as an added bonus:
Enter Sandman with triggered heads
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:46 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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That's not how David Bottrill works. It's not how Devin Townsend works. It isn't how Gggarth works. It isn't how Steven Wilson works.
Which is incredibly fair (Granted, Devin Townsend DOES use a fair amount of sampling), but they're not the majority of metal. They are all very prominent figures in the scene, but they do not represent even a plurality of what you hear in modern metal.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:53 pm to kingbob
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:54 pm to kingbob
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they do not represent even a plurality of what you hear in modern metal.
And neither does Andy Wallace, but that's where you started this argument you're making. Frankly, most of the songs that Beato talked about are not even remotely metal songs.
Look, there are plenty examples of drum loops in rock music. Hell, Meshuggah used to program a lot of the drums on their earlier albums, which is how the Drumkit from Hell even came into being. That said, programmed loops are typically replaced with a live performance on most metal albums. The loops are great for working out demos, though.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 2:16 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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It's not how Devin Townsend works.
Devin has used a ton of programmed drums in his music.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:27 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Devin has used a ton of programmed drums in his music.
He definitely has. He uses them regularly when fleshing out songs, but most of the songs on his albums have live drums, some triggered. In particular, his metal albums are almost entirely live drums. There was some programmed drums on Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing, but Gene handled drums from them on. With DTP, he brought in a well-regarded studio drummer for every album.
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