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re: Biggest Mistake by Demps
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:46 am to Soggymoss
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:46 am to Soggymoss
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tried to get more ball handlers
But failed when it has never been easier to find ball handlers
To me, Demps builds rosters that expect everything to break right. If this guys stays healthy, and this guy can handle more minutes and this guy can play out of position.... Things almost never do for all teams. So, the mindset needs a shift
And some of that is also on the choices they have made and how they have hamstrung themselves. They couldn't offer Rondo more because he was a 1 year deal. Same thing with Payton or Randle. There's almost no space to sustain any positive momentum because they have built their teams for the next 6 months, not the next 6 years
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:50 am to corndeaux
The problem is those guys wont come play here for less money, and we are hamstrung by the rules of the salary cap...
Yes he couldve probably went after another ball handler with the MLE, but then we dont have Randle...
Theres only so much you can do to circumvent the salary cap, and if Boogie wouldve never tore his Achilles, we would be a tax team right now which wouldve made it even harder to get guys to come
Yes he couldve probably went after another ball handler with the MLE, but then we dont have Randle...
Theres only so much you can do to circumvent the salary cap, and if Boogie wouldve never tore his Achilles, we would be a tax team right now which wouldve made it even harder to get guys to come
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:52 am to corndeaux
Yup. Shortsighted moves again and again and again. No depth, no developmental players, no thoughts on the future.
Built a Gentry team for Monty and a Monty team for Gentry for a bit.
I don't care what improvements he's made.
It is time to get a fresh set of eyes and ideas on this franchise from top to bottom. That includes everything: Front Office, Coaching, Players, Training, Medical, Analytics, Scouting, Sales, Game Day experience, in arena entertainment...
Everything. We need an enema to all of this and to get a fresh team on it.
Built a Gentry team for Monty and a Monty team for Gentry for a bit.
I don't care what improvements he's made.
It is time to get a fresh set of eyes and ideas on this franchise from top to bottom. That includes everything: Front Office, Coaching, Players, Training, Medical, Analytics, Scouting, Sales, Game Day experience, in arena entertainment...
Everything. We need an enema to all of this and to get a fresh team on it.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:25 am to BigPerm30
Everything Asik....Specifically trading a 1st to get him then signing him long term. Demps did not see the writing on the wall that bruising centers were going away, and could of grabbed cheaper players to do the same.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:51 am to Crewz
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Personally, if he really has learned and would be good moving forward, I would chalk up the past mistakes to learning lessons and wouldn't see the logic in firing a guy for past mistakes that he won't do again.
Demps has done an admirable job trying to dig his way out of his own hole, but my biggest concern is his fundamental understanding, or lack thereof, of how to build a contending roster. There are more variables that go into that than finding the best talent on paper. The lack of leadership and veteran presence on this team is one of those.
Could he have figured it out in the last couple of years? Sure
I also I also can’t get past the hiring of Alvin Gentry.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:56 am to Soggymoss
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problem is those guys wont come play here for less money, and we are hamstrung by the rules of the salary cap...
Everyone plays by the same cap rules. The Pels know this. They should know they aren't a free agent destination and they should proceed accordingly. But they didn't and now they are paying for the sins of the past.
What's one of the greatest assets for managing the cap for any team? Rookie contracts because, typically, they outperform their contracts. The Pels eschewed that to go all in on young vets.
The one guy they did draft, they turned into a top 15 player. It's not the NBA cap rules fault that Demps has continually found himself with little to no flexibility. They have played themselves over and over again
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:59 am to touchdownjeebus
Hindsight is 50/50 is a shoutout to Cam for that gem. Heild did get us a superstar I guess, but a very flawed one at the time that most teams wouldn't trade anything for because of his personality and troubles. He's a big man playing in a league made for wings. They traded him to a team that would be competing directly with them for a playoff spot annually. That should tell you something. Heild is turning into a good player but he is older than Murray and by that draft I thought they figured out Jrue was better playing off the ball so y draft a player that plays the same position as your 2nd best player?
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:00 pm to ShamelessPel
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The lack of leadership and veteran presence on this team is one of those.
One of the problems with going all in on Young Vets was you didn't have that proper mix. Steady vets setting the example and pulling guys up and hungry young guys fighting for minutes pushing guys from below. Instead you had a bunch of guys who were used to being the best players on bad teams and nobody to teach them good habits like Rondo did.
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Could he have figured it out in the last couple of years? Sure
I don't think he has. MM has talked about his Optimism bias being his biggest flaw for quite a while. Like corndeaux laid out, we have another year where we went into a season with a roster that works...if you don't get any bad breaks. If you do get some bad luck then the roster flaws are abundant and glaring.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:27 pm to TigerinATL
turning Asik and a 1st into Mirotic was a damn good move. Mirotic is probably worth close to a first on his own now.
Getting Randle and Payton with the extremely limited space we had this summer after losing Rondo? Another damn good snag. He is using AD to help get guys here it looks like.
I can see why MM is high on what he’s done lately. I just have no faith that he’s part of the solution moving forward much like yourself.
I also don’t know how flawed this roster truly is when you have a dope like Alvin Gentry as your head coach. A better coaching staff could very well do a better job meshing these pieces together.
The list of stupid rotations is so long this season.
- Miller having unlimited leash
- taking 25 games to even see Okafor get a shot and who knows if we’d even be where we are with him now if he didn’t go scorched earth in the one shot he got
- still way too little Frank Jackson. He’s managing to slowly erode the confidence we love in Frank.
- Hill and Wes Johnson should be getting chances in spurts to make an impact. Our SF rotation should be by committee. None of them are good enough to play 30 MPG
- No Elfrid Payton lately in the 4th with Team Big
- Niko not starting next to Jrue and AD despite that trio being near elite levels together.
This roster is way more talented than they’re being allowed to show imo at least.
Getting Randle and Payton with the extremely limited space we had this summer after losing Rondo? Another damn good snag. He is using AD to help get guys here it looks like.
I can see why MM is high on what he’s done lately. I just have no faith that he’s part of the solution moving forward much like yourself.
I also don’t know how flawed this roster truly is when you have a dope like Alvin Gentry as your head coach. A better coaching staff could very well do a better job meshing these pieces together.
The list of stupid rotations is so long this season.
- Miller having unlimited leash
- taking 25 games to even see Okafor get a shot and who knows if we’d even be where we are with him now if he didn’t go scorched earth in the one shot he got
- still way too little Frank Jackson. He’s managing to slowly erode the confidence we love in Frank.
- Hill and Wes Johnson should be getting chances in spurts to make an impact. Our SF rotation should be by committee. None of them are good enough to play 30 MPG
- No Elfrid Payton lately in the 4th with Team Big
- Niko not starting next to Jrue and AD despite that trio being near elite levels together.
This roster is way more talented than they’re being allowed to show imo at least.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:29 pm to BigPerm30
1. Matching Gordon
2. Trying to build through trade vs draft
3. Not making a fuss about the football medical staff
2. Trying to build through trade vs draft
3. Not making a fuss about the football medical staff
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:41 pm to ShamelessPel
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I also don’t know how flawed this roster truly is when you have a dope like Alvin Gentry as your head coach. A better coaching staff could very well do a better job meshing these pieces together.
One thing that absolutely needs to happen soon if they can't pull it together is give Finch the reins and let's see what he can do. He's got the pedigree to be the kind of coach you'd consider hiring anyway.
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Niko not starting next to Jrue and AD despite that trio being near elite levels together.
I think Niko is still coming off the bench because they would much rather trade Randle and are showcasing him and letting him pad stats.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:23 pm to ShamelessPel
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I also don’t know how flawed this roster truly is when you have a dope like Alvin Gentry as your head coach. A better coaching staff could very well do a better job meshing these pieces together.
This is where Im at. Hard to gauge the roster when the coach is terrible.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:40 pm to dj30
He's had 8 years, a Superstar, and two HCs.
How many HCs does he need 3? 4? 10?
How many years does he need? 10? 15? 20?
It is time to move on from him AND Gentry. They both are not good at what they do.
On top of that, HE is the one that picked Gentry. Not Tom Benson or Mickey Loomis or David Stern. He picked a bum like Gentry.
Should he have no consequences for that?
How many HCs does he need 3? 4? 10?
How many years does he need? 10? 15? 20?
It is time to move on from him AND Gentry. They both are not good at what they do.
On top of that, HE is the one that picked Gentry. Not Tom Benson or Mickey Loomis or David Stern. He picked a bum like Gentry.
Should he have no consequences for that?
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:08 pm to ShamelessPel
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his roster is way more talented than they’re being allowed to show imo at least.
new coach may help some, but if your season can be derailed by Elfrid Payton missing 30 games, you have a roster problem. if you only have 1 big who can defend the rim on the roster, you have a roster problem.
the Pels currently have the 13th best offense of all time on BREF with an expected W-L of 26-21. and yet, they are 22-25. sports are weird sometimes
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:30 pm to corndeaux
Stan Van Gundy made an interesting comment about the team. He said the offense is fine they just need to "guard somebody". People want to blame Erman for the defense and maybe he's not getting the job done, but I don't think this team's problems are schematic. I don't know how you fix the lackadaisical nature of this team other than have a drill sergeant with them on the court.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:53 pm to Fun Bunch
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It is time to move on from him AND Gentry. They both are not good at what they do.
Firing Demps would have no effect on anything this season. Talk to me in the offseason regarding Demps. Our goal should be to fix this season while Davis is here. Gentry has shown what he is. If a new coach cant fix this season, then go from there.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:01 pm to dj30
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Firing Demps would have no effect on anything this season.
It would not allow him to make a trade that could effect the franchise for years to come, to pull himself out of the hole he created.
But otherwise I agree. He should not be able to make any major trades that will effect future assets or major salary cap.
After the deadline he should be fired to get a headstart on the vacancies. Gentry should have already been fired.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:08 pm to Fun Bunch
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After the deadline he should be fired to get a headstart on the vacancies. Gentry should have already been fired
Odds that either of these things happen?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:13 pm to Loaner1231
Zero.
It is clear that the Saints people don't give a flying frick about this franchise, as all franchises are making money hand over fist due to TV deals. They will allow Demps to do whatever he wants.
Loomis also probably wants to protect his own organizational power and pay, so he's not going to fire himself.
It is clear that the Saints people don't give a flying frick about this franchise, as all franchises are making money hand over fist due to TV deals. They will allow Demps to do whatever he wants.
Loomis also probably wants to protect his own organizational power and pay, so he's not going to fire himself.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 5:29 pm to Fun Bunch
Covered most points but I’d add a few
>not understanding you needed to surround Davis with shooters not combo guards
>not being able to ever parlay any asset into a starting level 3&D wing in 8 years
>not communicating with fans or season ticket holders when a season went off the rails about a plan to fix things. Silent. Incommunicado. Scouting in Europe?!
>holding on to Gordon and Anderson’s expiring contracts past the trade deadline to make a “run”at the playoffs in 16.
>not understanding that he had a major hole at back up PG this year and Frazier was not an answer you could live with.
>not understanding that he needed to shore up this years roster in December not February even if you had to overpay.
>falling back too much on the hope of the team “making a run” in the second half of the season year after year and letting the excuse of injuries mask problems with the roster.
>not understanding you needed to surround Davis with shooters not combo guards
>not being able to ever parlay any asset into a starting level 3&D wing in 8 years
>not communicating with fans or season ticket holders when a season went off the rails about a plan to fix things. Silent. Incommunicado. Scouting in Europe?!
>holding on to Gordon and Anderson’s expiring contracts past the trade deadline to make a “run”at the playoffs in 16.
>not understanding that he had a major hole at back up PG this year and Frazier was not an answer you could live with.
>not understanding that he needed to shore up this years roster in December not February even if you had to overpay.
>falling back too much on the hope of the team “making a run” in the second half of the season year after year and letting the excuse of injuries mask problems with the roster.
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