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re: Bill Simmons on Lillard vs Rivers
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:21 pm to quail man
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:21 pm to quail man
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quail man
In the same Simmons article, Chad Ford answers his question and isn't kind.
Says that Rivers is Kobe w/o the skill or athleticism. And that the diva routine w/o the talent makes him Ricky Davis. Seems harsh to me, but the SI article linked echoes that and Pruiti tweeted that he agreed w/ Ford on Rivers.
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Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:22 pm to GynoSandberg
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Lillard is the best player in the draft that no one on this board has seen play.
Bring him in though, he's so awesome
There are multiple reports from professional scouts to back it up. As if an "eye test" from HT posters should affect who we draft....
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:23 pm to OBUDan
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-Lillard is a vastly better athlete
barely, while Rivers is probably quicker with the ball in his hands.
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Lillard has shown the ability to run the point (though most effective as a scorer to his point)
After playing 4 years in college against mediocre competition. Rivers was a freshman playing at Duke.
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-Multiple testimonies of Rivers not playing well with others/selfish play whereas one guy on termed Lillard "the most unselfish scoring point I've ever seen."
where are these multiple testimonies from actual players?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:26 pm to dj30
Oh, I see, idiots want Lillard over Rivers. It just so happens that you want Rivers over Lillard, making you a self-proclaimed genius among a throng of waterheads. 
Your reign of supremacy has begun.
Look, you're really coming off looking like a dick here. Dial back the arrogance just a bit and you'd have a better reputation here.
Your reign of supremacy has begun. Look, you're really coming off looking like a dick here. Dial back the arrogance just a bit and you'd have a better reputation here.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:26 pm to Jester
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As if an "eye test" from HT posters should affect who we draft
You mean Demps isn't hitting refresh on HT every 10 minutes?
:SONOFABITCH:
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:28 pm to dj30
Go read the whole Simmons article. Chad Ford eviscerates Rivers. Obviously Ford has a spotty record, but every draft guru misses on players.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:29 pm to corndeaux
Ford just said in his chat: "Not sure I understand the Hornets' reasoning here. Not only does he not fit a need (unless they aren't going to re-sign Eric Gordon) but why would you draft someone like Davis and then a blackhole guard who averages more turnovers than assists."
Could not agree more. NO A-RIVERS!
Could not agree more. NO A-RIVERS!
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:29 pm to Jester
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There are multiple reports from professional scouts to back it up. As if an "eye test" from HT posters should affect who we draft....
Scouts that still havent seen him play against elite competition in college and scouts that see he wont work out against the other elite point guards. I will say this though, I talk alot about skills that translate to the next level and if you can shoot the basketball that is a skill that translates. Im not saying he wont be good on the next level, I just would like to see him up against some competition. This is one thing I love about Rivers, he isnt scared to workout against anyone.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:32 pm to dj30
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barely, while Rivers is probably quicker with the ball in his hands.
Lillard has better testing numbers in basically everything except the 3/4 court sprint, where they are nearly the same.
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After playing 4 years in college against mediocre competition.
I do agree, Lillard's level of competition is concerning. He reportedly played really well against top-flight competition in workouts. Could mean something, could not.
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Rivers was a freshman playing at Duke.
And? Plenty of freshmen dominate the competition when they are really gifted.
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where are these multiple testimonies from actual players?
No player is gonna put his name on a comment like that, obviously. If all the writers who write it are making it up, then that truly is unfortunate for Rivers.
I'm not going to sit here and say I've watched hours of tape analyzing both of these guys. No one on this board has. I've read a good bit about both, and watched plenty of the draft evaluation reels on both (which show good and bad).
I've always said, if you think Rivers can eventually run the 1, then you take him, easy. But most question if he ever will be able to. He's a crafty scorer, who isn't terribly explosive and to this point can't catch and shoot or find the open man. LIllard has at least shown the willingness/ability to do that, even if it's against poorer competition.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:34 pm to OBUDan
Excellent posts. Cosign all of it
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:38 pm to corndeaux
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Chad Ford eviscerates Rivers.
Dont really need to read the article, saw Ford on tv yesterday discussing Rivers. Hes not a big fan of him.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:39 pm to Toula
Bill Simmons' logic is terrible.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:41 pm to dj30
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He's not a big fan
He seems to be trolling everyone in Simmons's article. A comparison to Ricky Davis is like the mark of Cain.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:47 pm to OBUDan
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LIllard has at least shown the willingness/ability to do that, even if it's against poorer competition.
Guys from small schools never go in the lottery, except for a guy like Gordon Hayward, who actually accomplished something and proved he could play with the big boys. Guys light it up in their small conference all the time, but are still ignored.
The ones who do get drafted, in the past, haven't worked out, unless you are talking about a guy like Kevin Martin, who is the only one that comes to mind.
Now last year had Faried, Marshon Brooks, Norris Cole. They all showed some promise. I hope Lillard is in their category if we draft him.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 1:53 pm to GynoSandberg
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Guys light it up in their small conference all the time, but are still ignored.
Paul George had a similar meteoric rise from small school obscurity. The thing about Lillard is what he's best at is exactly what he'd be asked to do most as a Hornet. Rivers is almost the opposite and is bad at much of what he would be asked to do as the starting PG. He still could grow into a Hardenesque 6th man, but I think there's a much higher chance that Rivers fails as a Hornet than Lillard even if Rivers has a higher ceiling.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:03 pm to TigerinATL
I dont consider Fresno State to be on the same "small school" level as Weber, but I see what you are saying.
Im actually starting to lean to the Lillard side as opposed to Rivers.
BTW, The 24/7 guys are acting like Rivers is all but a done deal.
Im actually starting to lean to the Lillard side as opposed to Rivers.
BTW, The 24/7 guys are acting like Rivers is all but a done deal.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:04 pm to GynoSandberg
Waiters > Lillard > Rivers.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:08 pm to GynoSandberg
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Guys from small schools never go in the lottery, except for a guy like Gordon Hayward, who actually accomplished something and proved he could play with the big boys. Guys light it up in their small conference all the time, but are still ignored.
Yeah, I'm not overly enamored with Lillard or anything.
I don't really know what to think of him or Rivers, I was more offering a counter to Simmons' logic.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:15 pm to dj30
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This is one thing I love about Rivers, he isnt scared to workout against anyone.
Neither is Monty, but I'm not trying to get him dressed for minutes at the 2.
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