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re: Jrue Holiday is a disaster.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:55 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:55 pm to Fun Bunch
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It’s exactly the performance. He absolutely sucked on offense and choked at the end.
The missed free throws were really bad late, but that's missed when Boogie and AD bail him out like the fricking savages they are.
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:58 pm to Fun Bunch
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He absolutely sucked on offense
Sucked is a strong word. Again, 4/9 and more assists than turnovers.
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choked at the end.
Yes and no. Choked at the line, but was legit fantastic defensively. Oladipo has been awesome this season and he outplayed him. And as mentioned before, eventually it stops becoming "the opponent had a bad game" and becoming "Jrue forced the opponent into a bad game."
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:15 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't understand why some of you have such an urge to make excuses for his play. He's getting top 5 money and looks like tony allen on offense. I don't care if he wins defensive player of the year. This shite is ridiculous. Hopefully it's a slump and he cleans it up soon but to call it anything other than garbage is homer bias.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:28 pm to Tigerbiscuits
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and looks like tony allen on offense
Again, 4/9 with more assists than TO's. He wasn't good offensively tonight, but he wasn't atrocious. Had a great pass to AD on an alley-oop. Two of his TO's came within the first few minutes of the game. One of them was stepping out of bounds when taking a pass, which has happened multiple times this season. That is pretty inexcusable, especially since he wasn't taking the ball and going for a hard drive on either of the plays that I remember. He's clearly having mental issues. He'll get over it.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:36 pm to Fun Bunch
I agree his offense this year has been pretty bad and his ball handling for some reason is atrocious, but his defense has been very good this year IMO, especially tonight.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:39 pm to THRILLHO
Do you watch the game? Or just judge his offense from the box score? His statline is almost identical to Jameer's.
I understand his impact on the defensive end won't show up in the box score but neither does his complete ineptitude on offense.
He missed layups, chucked a couple frustration shots, and generally looks uncomfortable. Lacks any type of scoring instinct right now and rarely gets to the line (0 attempts in the last 3 games before tonight).
I'm a sth, travel to watch the team, and want Jrue to succeed because he seems to be a high character and hard working guy. Still, 11 games in and all we have are out of position excuses and defensive praise.
I understand his impact on the defensive end won't show up in the box score but neither does his complete ineptitude on offense.
He missed layups, chucked a couple frustration shots, and generally looks uncomfortable. Lacks any type of scoring instinct right now and rarely gets to the line (0 attempts in the last 3 games before tonight).
I'm a sth, travel to watch the team, and want Jrue to succeed because he seems to be a high character and hard working guy. Still, 11 games in and all we have are out of position excuses and defensive praise.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:47 pm to Tigerbiscuits
His shooting from deep doesn’t look like he’s ever set. Just kinda turns and let’s it rip hoping for the best. That charge call at the end was bad. I get it though, trying to be aggressive and get to the line. But with the lead and not much time, maybe wait for the bigs to get up there with you and give them the ball.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:50 pm to Tigerbiscuits
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He missed layups, chucked a couple frustration shots, and generally looks uncomfortable. Lacks any type of scoring instinct right now and rarely gets to the line (0 attempts in the last 3 games before tonight).
I don't disagree with any of that, but despite missing layups and being uncomfortable, he made four of his nine shots. I don't care if he vomits and shits himself when he makes shots, those shooting numbers aren't going to kill you.
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Still, 11 games in and all we have are out of position excuses and defensive praise.
On the season, sure. But this thread was started in the middle of a game where Jrue was sub-par but not atrocious on offense and dominant defensively. This thread would have been fine during/after many of his games this season, but not this one. If he goes for 30/8/3, 2TO's + great defense this game, he's still playing like shite on the season, but no one starts this thread. He obviously wasn't that good, but he was good enough to not deserve the reminder that he's been bad.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:25 am to THRILLHO
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He absolutely sucked on offense
Sucked is a strong word. Again, 4/9 and more assists than turnovers.
It's really not. In a world where Jrue is neutral to positive he is putting up a minimum of 18/5/5 while playing good defense. In that world 10 points is a bad game for him where he does suck that night. But since he's averaging 18 ppg that means he balances out the 10 and 12 point nights with nights where he scores in the 20s. We've only gotten 2 of those this season while we've gotten 5 games of 11 or less and in 2 of those he scored 6 or less. Until he balances the scales people will be right to be upset with him.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:53 am to THRILLHO
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he made four of his nine shots. I don't care if he vomits and shits himself when he makes shots, those shooting numbers aren't going to kill you.
They aren't going to kill you as long as he's playing great defense, and someone else on the team picks up the slack offensively. We are paying him to play great defense and score 18 a night. He scored 8 last night, and was selfishly gifted 2 more at the end, where he should have had 4.
If Miller doesn't have a good game, we probably lose b/c Jrue had a bad game, again. I don't want to rely on Darius Miller to hit three 3's every game, and jameer Nelson to get into double figures, all to make up for Jrue doing next to nothing offensively.
If Jrue was making $10M/yr, I woudnt' feel this way, but his offense is integral to us winning games. When he scores, it's really difficult to beat us. Looks like we'll get maybe 20 games from him like that, 20 atrocious games, and 40 meh games, which is exactly what we've always seen from him.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:16 am to TeddyPadillac
Here’s the thing right now that worries me.
Locked On made this point today and I hadn’t thought about it. Now he prefaced by saying it is a small sample size, but still, it matches a bit with what people have been frustrated with Jrue about.
With Cousins, Davis, and Jrue on the court they have a +10 net rating. Solid, good in fact. However, with Cousins and Davis on the court without Jrue, their net rating is actually +15. Holiday helps their defensive rating, but he has been abysmal offensively and the result is that their net rating is actually lower with Jrue than without Jrue. Again, small sample size but given his struggles it’s not altogether shocking to think it will hold unless Jrue finds a consistent offensive identity to go along with his notable contribution defensively.
Locked On made this point today and I hadn’t thought about it. Now he prefaced by saying it is a small sample size, but still, it matches a bit with what people have been frustrated with Jrue about.
With Cousins, Davis, and Jrue on the court they have a +10 net rating. Solid, good in fact. However, with Cousins and Davis on the court without Jrue, their net rating is actually +15. Holiday helps their defensive rating, but he has been abysmal offensively and the result is that their net rating is actually lower with Jrue than without Jrue. Again, small sample size but given his struggles it’s not altogether shocking to think it will hold unless Jrue finds a consistent offensive identity to go along with his notable contribution defensively.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:45 am to tigerfan88
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We need Jrue to average about a 17/6/6 on about 45% shooting with almost almost no turnovers and great defense with rondo back. He would still be very overpaid but we could be a good team if he did that
You get this from Jrue, he's worth his contract imo. Those are very good numbers. Those numbers are the literal definition of the 3rd banana we need.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:59 am to Fun Bunch
i wish football fans would stick to football commentary
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:07 am to Machine
Jrue Holiday is shooting 21% from 3 this year.
Twenty. One. Percent.
Twenty. One. Percent.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:11 am to Fun Bunch
he's taking less than four per game, and leading the team in assists. lets see what happens rondo comes back.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:14 am to Machine
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he's taking less than four per game
Which he's shooting at a 21% pace.
I've already said I'll see what happens when Rondo gets here, but Jrue has been dogshit on the offensive end.
His PER is 10.9.
A Guard, getting paid 25 million a year, shooting 21% from 3 with a PER of 10.9.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:15 am to Fun Bunch
i'm not saying we aren't overpaying for him, but that's the situation we put ourselves in. if you think letting him walk would have been a better decision, i disagree completely
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:18 am to Machine
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i'm not saying we aren't overpaying for him, but that's the situation we put ourselves in. if you think letting him walk would have been a better decision, i disagree completely
aka the Omer Asik gambit.
I thought it was PROBABLY the right decision at the time, but wasn't sure, and hated the amount of money.
Now...yeesh. Like I said, hopefully Rondo will do some magic for him.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:20 am to Fun Bunch
quote:pairing with an assist first pg should help him, but i feel like giving up on him in november is a little absurd.
I thought it was PROBABLY the right decision at the time, but wasn't sure, and hated the amount of money.
Now...yeesh. Like I said, hopefully Rondo will do some magic for him.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:23 am to Fun Bunch
quote:I'm sure a guy with 8 years in the league and career averages of 16/17ish per and ~35% from 3 will continue playing like that.
A Guard, getting paid 25 million a year, shooting 21% from 3 with a PER of 10.9.
some of you guys need to look at larger samples instead of 11 games.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 11:24 am
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