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re: Offseason Numbers and Possible Moves
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:27 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:27 am to TigerinATL
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I'm not attacking Monty, I'm complaining about a tactic that has proven unsuccessful defensively this year that I'm afraid he'll return to when Anderson comes back even after getting the opportunity of seeing another option that he should try instead of riding a 1-7 Ryan Anderson down in flames for the night.
I'm not arguing for riding Anderson. The dude is just not very good this year. My point is that, up until he got injured, none of the other options proved to be much, if at all, better.
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The poor shooting makes a 20 MPG Anderson better for the team than a 30 MPG Anderson yet Monty has gone with the 30 MPG flavor when he's got Asik and Ajinca on the bench ready to help.
For a decent part of that stretch, Asik was off, even defensively. As for Ajinca, oh how quickly we forget the fouls and fouls and fouls and fouls.
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So your hate for Tyreke means trumps my ability to question non Tyreke rotation decisions?
It's not that at all. My point is that those 2 ROSTER decisions created the rotation issues. Unfortunately, the coach can't OvsD sub on each possession. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Frankly, you can only afford one defensive abomination. We had one in Anderson when we brought in another, who also happened to clash with our other backcourt players, to be a key cog.
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Anderson/Evans being offensively skewed is a problem that is lessened by a healthy Jrue.
I agree, but does Tyreke regress further if asked to go back to the bench? I'm scared of the answer.
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:43 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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but does Tyreke regress further if asked to go back to the bench? I'm scared of the answer.
Reke has played in the dumpster fire that is Sac-town, and under Monty. I think it is safe to say he's never been coached adequately.
And yet, he has flat carried this team for much of his time here. He is the only player on this team other coaches must account for, besides AD.
Has he lost us a couple of games? Sure, but just like any player, you gotta take the bad games with the good ones. He's doing something like 16.5/6/6. How many people in the NBA are putting up numbers like that. 5? 8? 10? How many on teams in or fighting for a playoff spot? 4 or 5?
Also, he plays EVERY night. Reke is untapped gold. Watch him get traded to a team with a great coach and then wreck shop.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:49 am to Tiger413
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5) Jimmer Fredette - $948,163
Dat dude makes that much?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:58 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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but does Tyreke regress further if asked to go back to the bench?
I don't think Tyreke coming off the bench is a concern, but how he'd handle not finishing is. One tool Monty hasn't had enough of the past few years are viable alternatives for guys that might need occasional attitude adjustments. Since we're talking about a 100% healthy situation Monty should be able to use Cole to keep Tyreke in line if he regresses too much in a bench role.
If I try to project out what a contending team Pelicans team will look like in 5 years, I wouldn't be completely shocked if AD was the only person currently on the roster that's still on the roster then. It was brought up the other day in a thread, Asik is really the first piece brought in with Super Star AD in mind, and even he might not be a long term piece depending on how much Center AD is playing in 5 years.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:21 am to rondo
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Dat dude makes that much?
Jimmer literally makes that much and all he has to do is sit on the bench and makes clutch free throws.
that is awesome.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:51 am to Solo
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He is the only player on this team other coaches must account for, besides AD.
This. Teams pack the paint when AD and reke are on the floor just daring them to shoot. With AD it's a double edged sword hoping AD is cold. With tyreke, it's the only way to stop him.
I think him off the bench with nothing but shooters would be awesome. How's a coach to stop that? And I think that's the original plan.
Reke off the bench with ajinca and Ryno would be awesome. Add in Qpon (39% 3pt) and cole (to stop those pesky opposing combo guards that rip us) and that's a solid bench.
Plus like Solo said, he's an iron man for us, can't be understated
The 3&D MLE small forward tree is a good point. Who's available for that price? We all know about crowder and Carroll, who else is out there?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:02 pm to rondo
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Dat dude makes that much?
Dell likes to slightly overpay bench players on short, non-guaranteed deals. It seems stupid on its face, but it has helped with numerous trades he has made.
That said, $948K is not a big contract in the NBA. Less than the veteran minimum, actually.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:06 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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That said, $948K is not a big contract in the NBA. Less than the veteran minimum, actually.
The Veteran Minimum is a sliding scale based on time served. LINK $948,163 is the minimum amount you can pay a player this season with 3 years of experience.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:09 pm to Solo
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Reke has played in the dumpster fire that is Sac-town, and under Monty. I think it is safe to say he's never been coached adequately.
This is a bullshite, fabricated excuse for Tyreke. Monty has coached up quite a few players. He turned Vasquez into a solid PG. Roberts performed above his expectations. Monty knows how to coach players up. You can argue his rotations and defense, but he certainly helps players improve. Tyreke's issue occurs between Tyreke's ears. If you expect Monty to perform brain surgery, you will stay disappointed.
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And yet, he has flat carried this team for much of his time here. He is the only player on this team other coaches must account for, besides AD.
He has also carried the team into the whole he digs himself at times. I like how you give Tyreke all of the credit and Monty all of the blame. Very rational behavior.
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Has he lost us a couple of games? Sure, but just like any player, you gotta take the bad games with the good ones. He's
There aren't many players in the NBA as inconsistent as Tyreke.
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He is the only player on this team other coaches must account for, besides AD.
And they just ignore Gordon, right?
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He's doing something like 16.5/6/6. How many people in the NBA are putting up numbers like that. 5? 8? 10?
You're cherry-picking. That comes with 3.1 TOPG, 29% from 3, and only 43% from the field. 1.1 points per shot.
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Also, he plays EVERY night.
He's certainly durable.
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Reke is untapped gold.
Or maybe he just is what he is.
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Watch him get traded to a team with a great coach and then wreck shop.
Or you can watch him get traded and be the same player he has been his entire basketball life.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:10 pm to TigerinATL
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The Veteran Minimum is a sliding scale based on time served. LINK $948,163 is the minimum amount you can pay a player this season with 3 years of experience.
Gotcha. I just pulled the 10 year vet minimum, which is almost $1.5M.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:18 pm to Tiger413
Trade Anderson and Holiday
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:50 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:15 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Love that your post contains the words "cherry picking", then you drop ToPG (he's a PG) but then ignore his ratios which are better than GOATbrook, Rose, Bledsoe etc; and 29% from 3(not a 3 point shooter), but yeah, let's just forget about him stuffing the damn stat sheet every night. If he actually got some calls, that 1.1 pps would rise, which is where I agree with you that he needs work.
RoLo, Kaman, Ariza have vastly improved their games since they left. Not arguing you about Monty. If you want to keep beating the Monty drum, have fun. Nice Brian Roberts reference, though.
Gordon isn't scaring anyone. Shooting great from 3, and he has some nights where he distributes the ball well, but he can't defend anymore, can't move laterally, can't get to the rim and doesn't get to the line. On top of that he is made of glass and on the books for 15mil. That is as terrible as terrible gets. Average defenders can stay with the guy. It takes two guys to collapse on Reke. Like I said, Gordon isn't keeping any coaches up at night.
I love it, keep bashing Reke.
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but he certainly helps players improve.
RoLo, Kaman, Ariza have vastly improved their games since they left. Not arguing you about Monty. If you want to keep beating the Monty drum, have fun. Nice Brian Roberts reference, though.
Gordon isn't scaring anyone. Shooting great from 3, and he has some nights where he distributes the ball well, but he can't defend anymore, can't move laterally, can't get to the rim and doesn't get to the line. On top of that he is made of glass and on the books for 15mil. That is as terrible as terrible gets. Average defenders can stay with the guy. It takes two guys to collapse on Reke. Like I said, Gordon isn't keeping any coaches up at night.
I love it, keep bashing Reke.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:31 pm to Solo
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Love that your post contains the words "cherry picking", then you drop ToPG (he's a PG) but then ignore his ratios which are better than GOATbrook, Rose, Bledsoe etc; and 29% from 3(not a 3 point shooter), but yeah, let's just forget about him stuffing the damn stat sheet every night.
All 3 guys you just posted are shoot-first combo guards with bloated usage, so yes, they are comparable.
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RoLo, Kaman, Ariza have vastly improved their games since they left.
They haven't, though. Kaman is still a black hole who doesn't play much defense. RoLo revitalized his career UNDER Monty. Ariza just struggled shooting the ball here and was relied on too much to provide offense because of a lack of roster options. Kaman is also a backup now.
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Gordon isn't scaring anyone. Shooting great from 3, and he has some nights where he distributes the ball well, but he can't defend anymore, can't move laterally, can't get to the rim and doesn't get to the line.
So, coaches don't game plan for efficient 3pt shooters? Okay, Sparky.
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and he has some nights where he distributes the ball well
Kind of like your hero Tyreke.
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he can't defend anymore
He is a better defender than Tyreke. He understands rotations more than anyone else on our roster.
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can't move laterally, can't get to the rim and doesn't get to the line.
But let me guess, Tyreke can do all of those things...
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That is as terrible as terrible gets
Hyperbole much? That comment is as terrible as terrible gets
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It takes two guys to collapse on Reke.
It doesn't matter how many it takes when he forces bricked layups.
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Like I said, Gordon isn't keeping any coaches up at night.
Neither is Evans.
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I love it, keep bashing Reke.
I'm not even bashing Evans here. I'm just pointing out that the stuff you bash Gordon for is almost entirely true with Evans, too.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:36 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I am okay with that
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:45 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
15 mil for EG is terrible, brah.
Opposing coaches tend to put their worst defender at the 1,2 or 3 on EG, and they rarely double him. They tend to put their best defender on Reke and they often double him.
Agree with you that EG has a higher IQ than Reke. To bad he's running on fumes.
Would I love to see the guard EG was when he played with the Clippers? Sure thing. Let me know when he shows up.
Opposing coaches tend to put their worst defender at the 1,2 or 3 on EG, and they rarely double him. They tend to put their best defender on Reke and they often double him.
Agree with you that EG has a higher IQ than Reke. To bad he's running on fumes.
Would I love to see the guard EG was when he played with the Clippers? Sure thing. Let me know when he shows up.
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