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re: Rockets to make huge offer to Eric Gordon?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 4:48 pm to corndeaux
Posted on 6/27/12 at 4:48 pm to corndeaux
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avoid the 4y 58m
4/$58 is the same thing as 42's 4/$55 for the purpose of this discussion. 4/$58 was the figure that was thrown around when working on the extension. 42 calculated 4/$55. I think Rohan came up with the 4/$58 figure so I'm honestly not sure who has the right number.
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Posted on 6/27/12 at 4:51 pm to 42
I was talking about 247 too. I remember you posting over there back then. Congrats on getting a bump over there and helping run the site. 
You think even money on resigning/trading Gordon? Wow. What would they reasonably be looking for in a deal? Would it be for health concerns (I know this was one reason for the low early offer) or just better value somewhere else?
You think even money on resigning/trading Gordon? Wow. What would they reasonably be looking for in a deal? Would it be for health concerns (I know this was one reason for the low early offer) or just better value somewhere else?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 4:53 pm to TigerinATL
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4/$58 is the same as 42' s 4/$55
So if Gordon accepts a 4/$55 offer from Houston and the Hornets match, the 7.5% raises kick in automatically or am just way off?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 4:57 pm to corndeaux
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So if Gordon accepts a 4/$55 offer from Houston and the Hornets match, the 7.5% raises kick in automatically or am just way off?
Just 4.5% raises. We would be matching the exact terms of the Houston deal. They are required to offer at least a 3 year deal, so if that's all they offer that's all that would be signed.
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 6/27/12 at 4:57 pm to corndeaux
I meant... sorry we ran you off from there...
I do, but that's my opinion. No inside track. I know very little of that side the house. I avoid it unleaa it falls in my lap. My best knowledge is basically now useless... maybe... with AD in the house. Donatus Montiejunas was a target, I believe. Young talent in the Rockets deal for Kaman that never materialized.
I think with AD around, they can clean house to make a big push next year. Get some expiring vets to help the pups, have some name recognition, late lottery, first round bounce, something like that, all for the fans and player experience.
Then hammer down next offseason.
I do, but that's my opinion. No inside track. I know very little of that side the house. I avoid it unleaa it falls in my lap. My best knowledge is basically now useless... maybe... with AD in the house. Donatus Montiejunas was a target, I believe. Young talent in the Rockets deal for Kaman that never materialized.
I think with AD around, they can clean house to make a big push next year. Get some expiring vets to help the pups, have some name recognition, late lottery, first round bounce, something like that, all for the fans and player experience.
Then hammer down next offseason.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 5:05 pm to TigerinATL
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Just 4.5% raises. We would be matching the exact terms of the Houston deal. They are required to offer at least a 3 year deal, so if that's all they offer that's all that would be signed.
Perzactly.
The 7.5% thing, in this case, is a Bird exception thing in all likelihood.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 5:21 pm to 42
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TigerinAtl
Thanks to you both. I was confused on the numbers and didn't understand what yall were saying. Got it now.
42- no one drove me away- though I do miss Niall's commentary. I didn't start posting here until recently. The Hornets just weren't very good or particularly interesting for a while. I didn't have much to say or discuss, so I just didn't post anywhere. Definitely respect the work yall do. Between what yall do and the SBN Hornets site, I think we've got great Hornets coverage. If local "professional" journalists did as good a job as our bloggers, people would be more interested in the team and much more knowledgeable
Posted on 6/27/12 at 5:39 pm to corndeaux
It was a dark time. Miss Niall too.
Agreed about ATH. Class act. Big Rohan fan.
The TP guys are limited by the profit motive. We are far.dumber to work for free bit can do deeper analysis etc. for the hardccore. I dog them. They travel with the team and work hard. Analysis just isn't their gig, and things related to the NBA as a whole.
Agreed about ATH. Class act. Big Rohan fan.
The TP guys are limited by the profit motive. We are far.dumber to work for free bit can do deeper analysis etc. for the hardccore. I dog them. They travel with the team and work hard. Analysis just isn't their gig, and things related to the NBA as a whole.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 5:49 pm to 42
How would the trade work? Gordon signs, then is dealt?
I can't think of who they could get for Gordon that helps clean house and gets good value back and a good fit with Davis. I assume they would want a guy on a rookie deal.
Maybe a deal for Paul George/Collison and a future pick?
Derrick Williams in Minnesota?
Those don't exactly get me fired up.
If they trade Gordon, would love to get Cousins to pair with Davis. But even Sacramento isnt dumb enough to do that.
:inb4donotwantcousinsbadattitude:
DMC played like a top 3 center once they canned Westphal, who was hired because he was the cheapest option.
I can't think of who they could get for Gordon that helps clean house and gets good value back and a good fit with Davis. I assume they would want a guy on a rookie deal.
Maybe a deal for Paul George/Collison and a future pick?
Derrick Williams in Minnesota?
Those don't exactly get me fired up.
If they trade Gordon, would love to get Cousins to pair with Davis. But even Sacramento isnt dumb enough to do that.
:inb4donotwantcousinsbadattitude:
DMC played like a top 3 center once they canned Westphal, who was hired because he was the cheapest option.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 5:52 pm to 42
You're right about the TP profit motive. Those guys work hard and obviously things are tight but I look at what the Charlotte Observer has done the last couple of weeks on how to build an NBA team and think, why can't they strive for that type of coverage?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 5:54 pm to corndeaux
Just expirings to fill up the hole left by Ariza, Emeka, Landry, Lewis, Kaman, etc.
We need a boatload of expirings to maximize next offseason if we trade EJ.
ETA: Monroe's own Millsap fits the bill.
We need a boatload of expirings to maximize next offseason if we trade EJ.
ETA: Monroe's own Millsap fits the bill.
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 6/27/12 at 5:59 pm to 42
Ah. But even with Gordon on board, cant they renounce everyone but Gordon/Davis/#10 and have enough for 2 max deals? And if they don't renounce, isn't the number still around $30m for next summer?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 6:17 pm to corndeaux
That article makes it sound like the whole Rockets deal hinges on Houston packaging their picks so that they can get a top 10 pick, then trade EG with that top 10 pick for Dwight.
Sounds risky on their part.
Especially considering that we can essentially do that same deal (re-sign & package EG/#10) and steal Dwight from them.
Then D-Will decides to come play with AD & Dwight in NOLA.
Sounds risky on their part.
Especially considering that we can essentially do that same deal (re-sign & package EG/#10) and steal Dwight from them.
Then D-Will decides to come play with AD & Dwight in NOLA.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 6:36 pm to LSUFreek
Gordon is better than any player mentioned in this thread (exception, but he was only mentioned once). No combo of Lowry, Dragic, or draft picks will make me believe otherwise. frick houston for even considering offering him the max contract. I hope they trade away all their players for draft picks to try and get Dwight only for him to say "screw you houston" and then all the players they draft are busts after the first year.
frick that franchise.
frick that franchise.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 7:21 pm to corndeaux
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Ah. But even with Gordon on board, cant they renounce everyone but Gordon/Davis/#10 and have enough for 2 max deals? And if they don't renounce, isn't the number still around $30m for next summer?
At the moment, there's $2.5m (Smith's expiring) on the books next year. That's picking up no options. With Davis, it'll be like $9m.
The cap, however, will drop likely. Max deals will, too, but the committed salary is then a larger portion of the cap. Two 'max' deals for UFA will be 60% of the cap. If it's $50m, then that leaves $10m for the other 10ish players. Depending on how we do it (stay above the cap using sign and trades with less than max possible deals or use cap space and have no exceptions), it may be enough. That's my understanding. Two max deals may be too hard to do without beaucoup picks next year (see Heat).
Gordon with a 25% max will chew up one of those 30%3 max's under the new deal and make life easier. That's why I think we may sign him. I'm assuming availability etc. and getting AD means we can listen to offers.
It's all about start to win now and maybe top out or miss out if EJ is out some this year (no 'big 3', see Knicks) or trying to take a big swing next year and possibly end up like the Nets.
Ugh. Pick your poison.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 7:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 6/27/12 at 7:47 pm to Fun Bunch
NKMNC
Posted on 6/27/12 at 8:21 pm to dede504
If healthy Gordon is a top 5 SG (top 3 when you factor in his age).
You match any offer for him. Not even a debate.
You match any offer for him. Not even a debate.
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