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re: The 2022 NBA Draft Prospects Discussion Thread
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:10 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:10 pm to brmark70816
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Imagine a world where we end up with picks #2 and #4.
Who should we take?
#2 - Smith if available, Chet if not
#4 - Ivey
quote:
Trading back isn't the greatest idea and hasn't worked our well.
All depends on the trade back value. I don’t view this draft as a big 4, I think there’s a drop off after 3. Although I like Ivey, I’m not as sold on him being a lead facilitator as others. If it’s 4 for 8 and 17, then no. If it’s 4 for a young player like SGA, Id do it.
quote:
Do we take one of the big 4 and trade Zion?
No. All those guys can play with Zion (maybe not Banchero on the defensive end, but you take him and keep Zion anyway)
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 2:01 pm
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Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:12 pm to brmark70816
You do like the Warriors and accumulate the best talent you can.
If they can be used for a trade, great, if not you potentially have a deeper roster than pretty much any team in the league and have the fortune of a lot of options.
If you can get Smith/Chet/Paolo and either Ivey or Sharpe(depending on if he lives up to the hype), do it.
If they can be used for a trade, great, if not you potentially have a deeper roster than pretty much any team in the league and have the fortune of a lot of options.
If you can get Smith/Chet/Paolo and either Ivey or Sharpe(depending on if he lives up to the hype), do it.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:41 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Do we take one of the big 4 and trade Zion?
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:43 pm to Bronc
quote:Almost all of the time you go BPA, especially once it gets mid to late 1st round or later.
You do like the Warriors and accumulate the best talent you can.
The only times where you'd even consider IMO not going BPA is if you have a guy like Embiid who only plays the 5 and your BPA is a guy who only plays the 5, and even then if he's worlds better than the next guy on your list, you still take him and figure it out later. For example, if you had James Harden in the Luka draft, and you're up and Luka is available, you obviously take Luka and figure the rest of it out later.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 7:36 pm to shel311
Any thoughts on Johnny Juzang as a late flier?
Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:07 pm to LosLobos111
quote:Feels like he'll be another highly productive college player with nothing physically stopping him from being solid in the NBA, but goes in the 2nd round because of age and lack of "upside"
Any thoughts on Johnny Juzang as a late flier?
There's nothing stopping him from being a Danny Green type.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 5:33 pm to shel311
Who's the BPA for this draft ?
It seems there isn't a consensus 1 like Cunningham or Anthony Davis
It seems there isn't a consensus 1 like Cunningham or Anthony Davis
Posted on 1/29/22 at 8:31 pm to LosLobos111
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Any thoughts on Johnny Juzang as a late flier?
Was all about him in the middle 1st last year if he had stayed in the draft. Looks like he's improved this year as expected.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 8:37 pm to nicj4
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Who's the BPA for this draft ?
It seems there isn't a consensus 1 like Cunningham or Anthony Davis
There isn't. It's a three-way race between Jabari Smith, Chet Holmgren, and Paolo Banchero. Chet came in as the favorite but I think Paolo passed him up for a while. Now I think Jabari is in the lead with Chet 2nd.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 3:05 pm to hugo_boss
I'd take Jabari and Jaden Ivey 1,2 in this draft.
Guys with the ball in their hands, who control the game, have the biggest impact on wins and losses. Its been this way for a while now.
I don't know if Ivey is the 2nd best talent in this draft, but because he has the basketball in his hands. controlling every possession, I think he'll be a much more impactful player than Paolo or Chet.
We've had two of the three best PFs of the past decade on this roster(giannis would be the other), and neither impacted winning the way a lesser talent like Kyle Lowry, for example, has. Even someone like Lamelo totally turned Charlotte around in one season. And we know CP is the only player to bring New Orleans basketball any level of respectability.
Guys with the ball in their hands, who control the game, have the biggest impact on wins and losses. Its been this way for a while now.
I don't know if Ivey is the 2nd best talent in this draft, but because he has the basketball in his hands. controlling every possession, I think he'll be a much more impactful player than Paolo or Chet.
We've had two of the three best PFs of the past decade on this roster(giannis would be the other), and neither impacted winning the way a lesser talent like Kyle Lowry, for example, has. Even someone like Lamelo totally turned Charlotte around in one season. And we know CP is the only player to bring New Orleans basketball any level of respectability.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 11:24 pm to eyeran
I think you're sleeping heavily on Chet. All of his advanced metric numbers show he's the top player in the draft.
He might not have started off as hot as Smith but he's a FAR, FAR superior defender and can still shoot damn well.
Edit: Chet is shooting 45% from 3.
He might not have started off as hot as Smith but he's a FAR, FAR superior defender and can still shoot damn well.
Edit: Chet is shooting 45% from 3.
This post was edited on 1/30/22 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 1/31/22 at 7:40 am to Kerchek
I agree people are sleeping on Chet, at the same time cant really disagree with eyeran's argument.
Every year we see this same scenario play out where a big, or multiple bigs, are hyped up as the best pure talent, but almost every year it is guards and forwards that end up having the bigger impact...and over their careers.
Mobley is sort of the outlier over the last ten years or so.
But there is just much more room for impact from guys that can control the ball and score and make plays for others. Especially in crunch time when being able to make plays happen with the ball in your hands is so critical. All three of the top picks project as guys that will need other guys to help set them up in those situations. So it honestly would not shock me if like in 2018, we look back in a few years and all the bigs drafted top ten(Ayton, Bagley, Wendell Carter, JJJ, Mo Bamba) are with only a few exceptions, being outplayed and out impacted by the wings and guards(luka, Trae, Shae).
I think all three bigs bring some things to the table, and none of the guards are at Luka/Trae levels, so I dont see a true repeat. But it wouldn't shock me if Sharpe or Ivey end up as the most impactful player in this class.
Every year we see this same scenario play out where a big, or multiple bigs, are hyped up as the best pure talent, but almost every year it is guards and forwards that end up having the bigger impact...and over their careers.
Mobley is sort of the outlier over the last ten years or so.
But there is just much more room for impact from guys that can control the ball and score and make plays for others. Especially in crunch time when being able to make plays happen with the ball in your hands is so critical. All three of the top picks project as guys that will need other guys to help set them up in those situations. So it honestly would not shock me if like in 2018, we look back in a few years and all the bigs drafted top ten(Ayton, Bagley, Wendell Carter, JJJ, Mo Bamba) are with only a few exceptions, being outplayed and out impacted by the wings and guards(luka, Trae, Shae).
I think all three bigs bring some things to the table, and none of the guards are at Luka/Trae levels, so I dont see a true repeat. But it wouldn't shock me if Sharpe or Ivey end up as the most impactful player in this class.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:27 am to Kerchek
quote:Im not sleeping on Chet. He might be the most talented player in this class. Though, I'd have him second behind Jabari.
I think you're sleeping heavily on Chet. All of his advanced metric numbers show he's the top player in the draft.
He might not have started off as hot as Smith but he's a FAR, FAR superior defender and can still shoot damn well.
Edit: Chet is shooting 45% from 3.
The point isn't talent, its impact. Nobody impacts wins and losses more than lead ballhandlers. This team could add Chet or Paolo and we'd still need a lead guard for it to matter in the standings.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:42 am to eyeran
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The point isn't talent, its impact. Nobody impacts wins and losses more than lead ballhandlers
I love Jabari, but are you saying that he’s a ballhandler? Paulo is much much more refined already in that part of the game. Jabari plays like a 6’10 Klay Thompson, which is awesome, but far from being characterized as a “ballhandler”
Posted on 1/31/22 at 1:36 pm to eyeran
Are you trying to say Jabari is a ballhandler??
We must be watching entirely different players. Jabari is a C&S player at the moment, definitely not someone you want running the offense.
We must be watching entirely different players. Jabari is a C&S player at the moment, definitely not someone you want running the offense.
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 1/31/22 at 1:46 pm to Kerchek
Yeah Jabari isn’t much of a ball handler. He may shoot of the dribble from time to time but he’s not controlling the offense by any means
Like others have said I’ve seen Paulo do a lot more with the ball in his hand. He’s been practically Dukes main facilitator lately
Like others have said I’ve seen Paulo do a lot more with the ball in his hand. He’s been practically Dukes main facilitator lately
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 1/31/22 at 2:47 pm to Macintosh
No, Jabari isn't a ballhandler today. Im projecting into the future.
I think at some point he could have a Kawhi-type of perimeter game. Where he's not running the offense, but can eventually be the ballhandler in a pick and roll and eventually get to a jumpshot when he wants. Some of his pull up mid range stuff already looks Kawhi-lite to me.
I think at some point he could have a Kawhi-type of perimeter game. Where he's not running the offense, but can eventually be the ballhandler in a pick and roll and eventually get to a jumpshot when he wants. Some of his pull up mid range stuff already looks Kawhi-lite to me.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 2:49 pm to eyeran
That’s fair
Posted on 1/31/22 at 4:53 pm to eyeran
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We've had two of the three best PFs of the past decade on this roster(giannis would be the other), and neither impacted winning the way a lesser talent like Kyle Lowry, for example, has. Even someone like Lamelo totally turned Charlotte around in one season
Honestly i think Davis never had a good team at NO, except in 2018 where Blazers has been swept and take 1 game vs Warriors superteam was very well.
Miles Bridges is probably the fp of Hornets and Hayward is a good player. Lamelo helps the hornets to win but he isn't the alone.
@Bronc, Clint Capela has more impact on wins and losses than Trae Young at Hawks imo.
The last season, Capela probably did the best season of his career (best ppg of his career, more of 14 rebounds and 2 blocks) and the hawks were in ECF...
Now, Capela does one of worst season of his career (one of worst ppg, FT% and 2%) and the hawks are 10 only.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:04 pm to nicj4
traditional wisdom is good big > good small.
would you rather
jokic. <= i would
luka
morant. as is. as he may be.
zion. as is. as he may be.
would you rather
jokic. <= i would
luka
morant. as is. as he may be.
zion. as is. as he may be.
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