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re: We get the 3rd pick in the draft
Posted on 5/15/16 at 7:25 pm to Crewz
Posted on 5/15/16 at 7:25 pm to Crewz
I don't see Murray as a Lillard type. He doesn't have Lillard's athleticism or speed. Murray is going to have to perfect his craftiness in the league to be effective. I love Murray though. He'll be able to score as well as Hield will at the next level imo.
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Posted on 5/15/16 at 7:48 pm to supe12sta12z
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I don't see Murray as a Lillard type. He doesn't have Lillard's athleticism or speed. Murray is going to have to perfect his craftiness in the league to be effective. I love Murray though. He'll be able to score as well as Hield will at the next level imo.
My biggest sticking point with Murray continues to be that if he can't grow more into a facilitator full time, you just have a younger Hield it would seem.
Younger yes, but with a seemingly smaller frame, shorter height and nearly a 3 inch less wingspan. Not to mention with a much less refined skill set.
So I just continue to lean toward Hield.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 7:52 pm to NOLA Bronco
We need some grit on this team that's why I really want Dunn. Do you see the Russell Westbrook in him? Player of the year and defensive player of the year in his conference. Dude plays with an intensity that this team desperately needs.
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Posted on 5/15/16 at 7:55 pm to MrPel
He's a Wall/Lillard/Westbrook mix. I really want Dunn at this point. He and Jrue together could be really nice
Posted on 5/15/16 at 8:03 pm to MrPel
I like Dunn. Then again I like Murray. Frankly I think Hield, Dunn and Murray will all be at least rotational players in this league.
I don't think any of them bust TBH. With that said, Dunn definitely has Allstar potential and him and Hield are almost 1A and 1B to me. Plus I definitely have grown to trust our shooting coaches to improve guys jumpshots that are willing to put in the work.
I don't think any of them bust TBH. With that said, Dunn definitely has Allstar potential and him and Hield are almost 1A and 1B to me. Plus I definitely have grown to trust our shooting coaches to improve guys jumpshots that are willing to put in the work.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 8:51 pm to NOLA Bronco
If not for Dunn's injury past, he would be tied with Murray for me. But you can't be a Pels fan and totally write off a guy with Dunn's past and possibility for future injury concerns. Guys who play like that, even without the injury past, are more likely to get banged up. Crafty, more methodical guys like Murray aren't IMO
Murray get knocked for not being much of a playmaker, but he had a major playmaker on his team and he did what was asked of him. Lillard averaged just 2.9 assists his freshman year and never averaged more than 4.1 in college, with the ball in his hand ALL THE TIME
Then, he puts up 6.8 in the NBA this year. I have no worries about Murray adding that to his game over time. Kid is 19. When Buddy was 19, he was putting up 7.8 points per game on 38% shooting. Murray from January on was on Buddy's level this year. I don't dislike Buddy or Dunn, I just like Murray more.
Murray get knocked for not being much of a playmaker, but he had a major playmaker on his team and he did what was asked of him. Lillard averaged just 2.9 assists his freshman year and never averaged more than 4.1 in college, with the ball in his hand ALL THE TIME
Then, he puts up 6.8 in the NBA this year. I have no worries about Murray adding that to his game over time. Kid is 19. When Buddy was 19, he was putting up 7.8 points per game on 38% shooting. Murray from January on was on Buddy's level this year. I don't dislike Buddy or Dunn, I just like Murray more.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 1:20 am to Crewz
Fair, but didn't you say Demps will not draft a freshman?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:10 am to Crewz
I'm fine with Murray. He has more upside.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:34 am to Fun Bunch
Hield/Dunn/Murray doesn't seem like a bad choice. Last time we were in this situation we were trying to talk ourselves into Thomas Robinson as a cornerstone player.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:43 am to Silverfoxx
Correct- I don't think Dell takes a freshman, that's just what I would do.
Why do I feel that way? Because I know of at least 2 deals where the Pels could have gotten a 2018 1st for Ryno, but they didn't take it because it wouldn't help them "next year". Instead, they plan on trying to sign him and either using him better or (more likely), moving him for something that helps them next year - similar to what Denver did with Nene.
And maybe Dell thinks this way with any owner; Idon't know. But the core of the problem is ownership. It's all win now. There is literally no thought being given to 2018 or 2019. None.
This doesn't excuse Demps. Like I said, he might have this same exact philosophy regardless. But those of you who think that getting rid of Demps is the solution just don't get it. The next guy who comes in will have the same directive from ownership.
Now, maybe that guy might make better win now trades or picks, but it will be the same strategy nonetheless
Why do I feel that way? Because I know of at least 2 deals where the Pels could have gotten a 2018 1st for Ryno, but they didn't take it because it wouldn't help them "next year". Instead, they plan on trying to sign him and either using him better or (more likely), moving him for something that helps them next year - similar to what Denver did with Nene.
And maybe Dell thinks this way with any owner; Idon't know. But the core of the problem is ownership. It's all win now. There is literally no thought being given to 2018 or 2019. None.
This doesn't excuse Demps. Like I said, he might have this same exact philosophy regardless. But those of you who think that getting rid of Demps is the solution just don't get it. The next guy who comes in will have the same directive from ownership.
Now, maybe that guy might make better win now trades or picks, but it will be the same strategy nonetheless
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:52 am to Crewz
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Instead, they plan on trying to sign him
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:24 am to Crewz
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And maybe Dell thinks this way with any owner; Idon't know.
He does. Remember when he tried to trade Chris Paul for an 8 seed with no upside? That was when the NBA owned the team.
We need a GM that will at least argue the other side of the coin. As far as I'm concerned, ownership is just enabling this fool
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 11:26 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:32 am to Jester
Simmions
Ingram
Dunn
Luwawu
Are my top 4 at this point
Ingram
Dunn
Luwawu
Are my top 4 at this point
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:44 am to Jester
A couple things you should know before making that argument
1. The Clippers offer wasn't nearly what it ended up being when he took the Lakers offer. CP3 wasn't willing to opt into his 2nd year with the Clips, so they were offering FAR less. Once Stern nixed the Lakers trade, CP3 agreed and the offer went WAY up
2. Dell's goal wasn't 8th seed. He was gathering assets to flip them like Houston did to get Harden. AD was the only sure fire star in the next two drafts and the odds of getting him were very slim. If we don't get lucky in the lotto, the Lakers trade is the FAR better trade
1. The Clippers offer wasn't nearly what it ended up being when he took the Lakers offer. CP3 wasn't willing to opt into his 2nd year with the Clips, so they were offering FAR less. Once Stern nixed the Lakers trade, CP3 agreed and the offer went WAY up
2. Dell's goal wasn't 8th seed. He was gathering assets to flip them like Houston did to get Harden. AD was the only sure fire star in the next two drafts and the odds of getting him were very slim. If we don't get lucky in the lotto, the Lakers trade is the FAR better trade
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:50 am to Crewz
Oh, and the real trade Dell wanted was Curry and pieces for CP3, which the Warriors were willing to do if CP3 opted in. He wouldn't
Dell isn't as dumb as many of you think he is. Sit down and talk to him one day and I guarantee you walk away very impressed
Dell isn't as dumb as many of you think he is. Sit down and talk to him one day and I guarantee you walk away very impressed
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:03 pm to Crewz
I don't think anyone thinks Dell is legitimately dumb.
I think its just time to move on and have a different voice in the room. Hopefully a stronger one.
We want a strong basketball mind POBO and a GM.
Its not going to happen with the current ownership, but thats the dream.
I think its just time to move on and have a different voice in the room. Hopefully a stronger one.
We want a strong basketball mind POBO and a GM.
Its not going to happen with the current ownership, but thats the dream.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:10 pm to Fun Bunch
If that is what ya'll want, then there is only one hope- same as it was for the Raiders:
Wait for the owner to pass or relinquish control. As cold as that is, I promise you that is the only way IMO
Wait for the owner to pass or relinquish control. As cold as that is, I promise you that is the only way IMO
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:14 pm to Fun Bunch
If that is what ya'll want, then there is only one hope- same as it was for the Raiders:
Wait for the owner to pass or relinquish control. As cold as that is, I promise you that is the only way IMO
Wait for the owner to pass or relinquish control. As cold as that is, I promise you that is the only way IMO
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:23 pm to Crewz
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If we don't get lucky in the lotto, the Lakers trade is the FAR better trade
Hindsight is 20/20, but the Clippers trade that went through was a better bet than the Lakers/Houston trade.
Pre injury Gordon, a top 10 pick one year in the leauge, a large expiring, and an unprotected Minnesota pick. Maybe they get the package that lands them Harden. But maybe Gordon doesn't hurt his knee in game 1 of his NO career and Minnesota doesn't jump from a sub.300 wining % the previous 4 years to a .394 in 11/12.
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Sit down and talk to him one day and I guarantee you walk away very impressed
Perhaps. And that doesn't shock me. In that business, you have to be able to talk and sell people.
I fully understand ownership is the issue and will be the issue. I also don't get what Demps was trying to do with the combined Evans/Holiday moves and keeping Gordon. Or why he has been reluctant to sign any wings. Or why they gave Asik the deal they did last summer with Gentry coming in.
Yes, it is much more complicated than any of us know. And Demps is hamstrung to a certain extent, but there are still some fair questions about his choices
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:26 pm to corndeaux
Again, did you read the part where the Clippers trade wasn't on the table when he took the Lakers trade?
They were offering Aminu and Bledsoe with filler. No pick, no Gordon. So, you can't say he chose the Lakers trade over the Clippers one. All I am saying.
I am not a Demps defender. Heck, I used to be called a Demps hater as I was one of the only ones pointing out his mistakes when everyone was slurping
The truth is usually in the middle
They were offering Aminu and Bledsoe with filler. No pick, no Gordon. So, you can't say he chose the Lakers trade over the Clippers one. All I am saying.
I am not a Demps defender. Heck, I used to be called a Demps hater as I was one of the only ones pointing out his mistakes when everyone was slurping
The truth is usually in the middle
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