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re: Why the hate for Jaxson Hayes?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:11 pm to DeionDeion
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:11 pm to DeionDeion
I think Hayes rebounding issue is a combination of being raw, poor technique, and poor core strength. His rebounding completely relies on his talent right now. He doesn’t know how to properly box out or put a body on someone while maintaining his positions. And when he does, he gets pushed around. I think his rebound being potential is high. We won’t know until he learns proper positions and technique. Things we should see develop over the course of the season.
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:12 pm to landrywasbeast30
His three point shooting improved tremendously in the second half of the season to like 39% or something, that is much better than Giannis at 25%. Why are you so quick to compare Zion to Giannis they are nothing like each other
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:16 pm to supe12sta12z
And right now if you're Griffin, you know these kids have major holes in their games, but by taking them, you're betting on yourself and your staff to properly develop them
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:19 pm to DeionDeion
That’s not a bad thing considering they have 30+ million to add to the roster. I think they’re sleeping very well at night after making those picks.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:21 pm to DeionDeion
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Langdon and the Nets took another rim-running, defensive minded Texas center in Jarrett Allen. They have developed him and in 2 years, Allen is starting to take 3-pointers in the game. He's [Allen] no where consistent but he's being developed as a stretch big. And Allen was not close to as talented as Hayes coming out of college.
Y’all are missing a huge part of this. Allen fits with the Nets because the rest of that team is jacking 3’s more than most of the league. You have to look at every team individually to see what works and why.
For example, I think Hayes would fit perfectly with the Hawks and what they are building. In fact, they should have traded Collins, then take Hayes to play with all their shooters.
I’m not trying to knock Hayes. My point is entirely about his fit on this specific team with their star.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:24 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Holy shite! The guy is a huge project and now you have him as a DPOY who can switch, block shots, and knock down jumpers and corner 3’s? If he turns into the greatest, most perfect modern 5 the NBA has ever seen, I will admit I was wrong about his fit on the Pels.
Reading comprehension. I did not say he will be that.
That is his upside which is why he was a top 10 pick despite being a huge project.
Watching him move, I trust in the FO's player evaluation and the gamble on the upside.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:24 pm to landrywasbeast30
Ok and we picked NAW to be our sharpshooter. Hayes has a nice shooting touch proven by his free throw percentage, he could develop a nice middie and maybe just maybe a 3 point shot. You are finding such a miniscule thing to become salty over
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:27 pm to whodat24
Yeah NAWa is great pick up.
His flaws are that he isn’t a primary ball carrier and he isn’t a great pull-up jumpshooter
Which isn’t an issue for a guy we’re asking to catch outlet passes and space the floor
His flaws are that he isn’t a primary ball carrier and he isn’t a great pull-up jumpshooter
Which isn’t an issue for a guy we’re asking to catch outlet passes and space the floor
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not celebrating the pcik baw, but I'm being honest.
Athletic, running rim protector types are the modern 5
You can say we overpaid but not that he doesn't fit
You would need to define what “fit” means to you?
I personally don’t think he is anywhere near an optimal fit for the current unit we expect to be playing the majority of minutes.
I don’t really even think Hayes and Zion’s optimal median projection is a great fit. As I think Zion is always going to benefit from having a big that can draw defenders away from the basket. Even if he develops a reliable jumper.
That’s not to say he is a bad fit, just not optimal unless he develops a jumper.
If I think of the best person to fit next to Zion it’s a center like Horford. A rim protecting big that can get out, move the ball, and stretch the defense.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:30 pm to landrywasbeast30
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I’m not trying to knock Hayes. My point is entirely about his fit on this specific team with their star.
I understand that. But I think a defensive, rim running big is a good fit next to Zion. Is it perfect? Not currently, but at the very least an athletic, rim protecting big allows Zion to play free and be him.
But either way, you have to look at Hayes as a project, not as someone who will play 35 mpg next season. you hope that can develop into a guy that makes Zion the best version of himself on the court. It may work, it may not, but if doesn't work out it doesn't hurt as much as giving Omer Asik $15 mil a year
And we are still planning on going out and getting a big next to Zion for the immediate first few years of his career.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Capela spreads the floor for Houston by setting good picks, which is something very underrated a good 5 does, and roles and finishes at the rim
Why y’all keep doing this? Capela works for Houston because he is surrounded by shooters, including their best player who shoots more 3’s than anyone ever has. Even then he has been a liability in the playoffs.
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Tyson Chandler developed this. Won a championship and made a shite ton of money b/c of it. Dirk was kicking out to Kidd and Terry for 3's. Marion wasn't any good from 3 and Chandler never shot them, and they won a championship. You don't need four 40% 3 point shooters to win.
One, this was before the league changed to what it is now. Two, as a Mavs fan I can tell you that Mavs team had shooters everywhere. Also, like with Harden, their best player was a great 3 point shooter.
Stop bringing up examples with rosters that aren’t in any way comparable to what the Pels have now and are building with a player like Zion.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:30 pm to landrywasbeast30
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I’m not trying to knock Hayes. My point is entirely about his fit on this specific team with their star.
You don't know what this roster will be and you don't know what Zion will be as a star. You are only evaluating Hayes' offensive fit as if he won't develop and are ignoring his defensive fit with Zion.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:31 pm to supe12sta12z
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That’s not a bad thing considering they have 30+ million to add to the roster. I think they’re sleeping very well at night after making those picks.
yep! and they will use that money to bring in someone to teach those kids as to not rush their development. it's an amazing formula
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:33 pm to landrywasbeast30
Were not going to be either team next year, but if you like a piece and think a guy if Capella you take him.
We can add shooters in FA this year and for the next couple of years.
We can add shooters in FA this year and for the next couple of years.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:33 pm to landrywasbeast30
Who gives a shite about fit for this team year 1.
Fit matters in 3-4 years not really now.
Fit matters in 3-4 years not really now.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:34 pm to NOFOX
That cuts both ways.
People are in here acting like Hayes is this homerun of a pick, and the same reason people are attacking the skeptics holds true to the believers.
If Zion projects to be the ultra small ball five through a not insignificant chunk of games, and never fully develops a reliable jumper, which is one of the more realistic projections, Hayes is not a great fit short or long-term unless he beats the odds and drastically develops parts of his game that are entirely non-existent now.
People are in here acting like Hayes is this homerun of a pick, and the same reason people are attacking the skeptics holds true to the believers.
If Zion projects to be the ultra small ball five through a not insignificant chunk of games, and never fully develops a reliable jumper, which is one of the more realistic projections, Hayes is not a great fit short or long-term unless he beats the odds and drastically develops parts of his game that are entirely non-existent now.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:35 pm to Bronc
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People are in here acting like Hayes is this homerun of a pick
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:36 pm to Bronc
I think we need consider the fact that we do not know what Zion’s full list of skillset yet. He may have a lot more perimeter abilities than we know especially ball handling. If he’s a guy who can initiate the offense and create, he’ll fit with any big man.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:36 pm to Bronc
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People are in here acting like Hayes is this homerun of a pick
I don’t see almost anyone doing that.
Being a skeptic is ludicrous and shows a complete lack of understanding of how the NBA draft works and where we are as a franchise.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:37 pm to whodat24
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Why are you so quick to compare Zion to Giannis they are nothing like each other
Yeah, hugely athletic point forwards with shooting as a weakness and bullying their way to the rim as a strength. They are nothing alike at all. He is definitely more Harden, a scoring guard jacking up a ton of long range step back 3’s.
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