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re: Attorney for passenger in Hayes' vehicle releases statement
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:26 pm to Mr. Hangover
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:26 pm to Mr. Hangover
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The window could be tinted, that would hold it together if it were shattered
Don't know if it is, IJS
yeah Im just saying. people are using words like the windshield exploded to be more dramatic. Ive had my tinted back windshield explode when I closed the door one day and there was glass everywhere and it didnt stay intact at all. no wreck or anything involved it just exploded when I closed my door getting out of the vehicle.
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Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:31 pm to diat150
I guess you are going to believe what you choose to believe, but the rear glass is broken. You can see it in the upper right of the very photo you posted, plus Raquel gave a statement to Thompson that it was. Pretty easy to debunk if she was lying, don't you think?
The 15 feet report came from Lyons Yellin who took some of the closest pics from the crime scene on the night of.
I'm not sure if you think arguing that the degree of velocity in which he hit Smith matters or not. I'm not sure if you think who the mysterious "aggressor" was matters.
All that matters is did Hayes reasonably fear for his life and act to defend it with lawful lethal force. Show me a sliver of evidence that supports that idea, and we can talk. Hell, show me where Hayes or Fuller has said that they intend to even plea self defense.
The 15 feet report came from Lyons Yellin who took some of the closest pics from the crime scene on the night of.
I'm not sure if you think arguing that the degree of velocity in which he hit Smith matters or not. I'm not sure if you think who the mysterious "aggressor" was matters.
All that matters is did Hayes reasonably fear for his life and act to defend it with lawful lethal force. Show me a sliver of evidence that supports that idea, and we can talk. Hell, show me where Hayes or Fuller has said that they intend to even plea self defense.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:43 pm to Mr. Hangover
The windows were tinted and thats exactly what held it together.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:54 pm to 5Alive
Did PT and maybe ceravalo do something w another gun that could have been on scene?
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:00 pm to Chad504boy
Not sure about PT, but Ceravolo wasnt there until after police arrived.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:00 pm to 5Alive
Thought so...
I've seen a tinted window fall completely out of a sliding door of a minivan and it hit the ground and shattered, all in place still cause of the tint
I've seen a tinted window fall completely out of a sliding door of a minivan and it hit the ground and shattered, all in place still cause of the tint
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:00 pm to 5Alive
Come on chad, really?
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:05 pm to Mr. Hangover
Spit balling
Untoward activity
Witness who witnessed didn't show up till after
Comment on Instagram
PT and ceravalo being singled out by Fuller
Untoward activity
Witness who witnessed didn't show up till after
Comment on Instagram
PT and ceravalo being singled out by Fuller
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:12 pm to Mr. Hangover
LOL. I think Chad is being funny, but this is really where we are with some folks. Police conspiracies, scrubbing 911 records, Pierre Thomas hiding a gun... Some want this Hayes guy to be innocent somethin' awful!
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:14 pm to Vacherie Saint
Not being funny but throwing wild unexpected pocket aces out that could connect dots
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:34 pm to Vacherie Saint
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The 15 feet report came from Lyons Yellin who took some of the closest pics from the crime scene on the night of.
yeah, I did a break down on the couple of pictures that he posted. the one(which wasnt even a skid mark) that people are saying showed that the benz skidded 15 feet wasnt from the benz(or the impala) and was too far ahead of where the hummer was stopped to have been from the accident. Im sorry but that is a fact.
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I'm not sure if you think arguing that the degree of velocity in which he hit Smith matters or not. I'm not sure if you think who the mysterious "aggressor" was matters.
All that matters is did Hayes reasonably fear for his life and act to defend it with lawful lethal force. Show me a sliver of evidence that supports that idea, and we can talk. Hell, show me where Hayes or Fuller has said that they intend to even plea self defense.
I agree. not enough information has come out outside of the fact that some of the witness statements to the advocate match up with smiths lawyer's statement that will and his passengers got out and approached the guys in the hummer. we know that there was a verbal altercation and some witness have said stuff about people from smiths side going after hayes. Until we here more about what happened during this altercation and other stuff that led up to the shooting, who knows.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:54 pm to Chad504boy
My people say they have no knowledge of Cerevalo tampering with the scene as Fuller says.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:00 pm to 5Alive
Well that's good. What made Mrs. Smith a threat?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 1:51 pm to Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:32 pm to beauchristopher
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You’ve got the aggression of two football players, facing off with each other as if they are on the field and you are going to get your point across by any means necessary.
I thought Shooter and Friend didn't know it was Will Smith that was shot at least until the next day.
Friend is pulling shite out of the air and trying to make it stick.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:26 pm to Red Stick Tigress
He didn't have to know it in the moment for the comment to be accurate. I don't think it's a terribly insightful thing to say for him, but that he found out its will the next day changes that in no way
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:08 pm to Lester Earl
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whoa
Really?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:10 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:These are two separate contentions, and both need to come into play.
All that matters is did Hayes reasonably fear for his life and act to defend it with lawful lethal force.
If I were to come confront you, and try to start a fight, and it turns out you have a gun in your car, I very likely would have a reasonable fear for my life.
I'm still not justified in shooting you, because I'm the one that put myself in that situation.
Now, if you come at me, my "reasonable fear" becomes a lot more valid.
But Smith is stated to have hit the vehicle, and then drive off. By pursuing, and then engaging him, Hayes is the one forcing this confrontation. What he legally should have done is phone in the event, and give them a description (and license plate if possible).
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:30 pm to Scoob
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But Smith is stated to have hit the vehicle, and then drive off. By pursuing, and then engaging him, Hayes is the one forcing this confrontation. What he legally should have done is phone in the event, and give them a description (and license plate if possible).
my opinion is that anything that happened before either party got out of their vehicle after the 2nd accident will not matter. whats going to matter in my opinion is who got out of their vehicle as the aggressor and what happened that would cause hayes to fear for his life.
just my opinion but I wouldnt hold it against a guy to try and chase down someone that hit and ran you to get the license plate. Unless it can be proven that he intentionally hit smith, but I just dont see that as feasible.
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