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re: Elway On Saints
Posted on 8/31/10 at 8:36 pm to el tigre
Posted on 8/31/10 at 8:36 pm to el tigre
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Off the top of my head I think the following guys have better physical attributes. total package of strength, speed, arm strength, quickness:
Vick
I'll give you Vick. There's nothing physically he can't do (except throw a consistently accurate spiral)
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Young
Definitely gets the edge in overall athleticism but his arm strength is embarrassing
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Cutler
Has a better arm but can barely move. Think it's probably a draw for overall athleticism
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Rodgers
Very good call. Rodgers is crazy athletic and I give him the nod over Brees
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Stafford
Again he's got a cannon but he can't move at all and no way could he dunk at 6 feet
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Sanchez
No offense but why? Because you saw him in a GQ photo shoot and he looked good? He can move well but Brees has him in everything else
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Posted on 8/31/10 at 8:40 pm to Mouth
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he's IS the most accurate passer in the NFL... he broke the NFL accuracy record remember.
fact
Posted on 8/31/10 at 9:17 pm to FootballNostradamus
In other words, it's a silly point to say Drew Brees' athletic skills "don't compare" to most of those guys, or anywhere close to the majority of NFL QBs.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 9:28 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Pretty much sums it up. It's almost as bad as people saying all black QBs get by off their physical talents alone.
That's pretty much true though. Maybe Warren Moon is an exception.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 9:45 pm to AlejandroInHouston
LINK
He is simply the most accurate QB I've ever seen. It makes up for any deficits he may have. Simply put, you better have pressure on him, or he will beat you.
He is simply the most accurate QB I've ever seen. It makes up for any deficits he may have. Simply put, you better have pressure on him, or he will beat you.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:12 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Cutler
Has a better arm but can barely move. Think it's probably a draw for overall athleticism
Cutler can really move. rushed for over 1200 yards at vandy, about 500 his senior year. Put up very good combine numbers, is explosive for a QB, and strong as on ox. He is just a retard. He is a really, really good athlete for the QB position, much better than brees.
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Again he's got a cannon but he can't move at all and no way could he dunk at 6 feet
again, strong as an ox and good speed. Check his combine numbers. I am assuming you can see their that Stafford and Cutler will surprise you when compared to Brees. Bigger man with equal and better numbers = better athlete....but not better QB.
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No offense but why?
being mexican must count for something?
eta: plus, these guys have youth on their side. 7 years ago Brees might have been more athletic than Stafford. But right now, these guys are more athletic.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:22 pm to el tigre
40 times:
Brees: 4.67
Cutler: 4.78
Stafford: 4.81
google pwns the argument yet again
Brees: 4.67
Cutler: 4.78
Stafford: 4.81
google pwns the argument yet again
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:23 pm to EmperorGout
and by the argument I mean el tigre
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:25 pm to EmperorGout
Stop being so sensitive, brah.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:36 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I'm going to wipe away tears while El Tigre feverishly foments a rhetorical angle to declare victory and extricate himself from the thread
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:47 pm to EmperorGout
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Brees: 4.67
Cutler: 4.78
Stafford: 4.81
wrong. Brees went 4.83 at the combine. The number you posted was from an on-campus workout...the kinds where Charles Scott runs in the high 4.4 range.
LINK
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:55 pm to el tigre
So, however you slice it, he's either faster or statistically indistinguishable in the footspeed department from those two far superior physical specimens? Got it.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:58 pm to Y.A. Tittle
when a bigger man has equal or better measurables than a smaller man, the bigger man is viewed as the better athlete.
why is that a hard concept? it's true.
so those other guys are stronger, faster, and have better arms. got it?
why is that a hard concept? it's true.
so those other guys are stronger, faster, and have better arms. got it?
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:59 pm to el tigre
you said this:
so let's go by combine numbers then!
Cutler 4.77
Brees 4.83
Stafford 4.84
At the very least they are comparable, and needless to say you were preaching that someone needed to look at the numbers when you clearly had not.
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again, strong as an ox and good speed. Check his combine numbers. I am assuming you can see their that Stafford and Cutler will surprise you when compared to Brees. Bigger man with equal and better numbers = better athlete....
so let's go by combine numbers then!
Cutler 4.77
Brees 4.83
Stafford 4.84
At the very least they are comparable, and needless to say you were preaching that someone needed to look at the numbers when you clearly had not.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:02 pm to EmperorGout
ok, read the last sentence where you quoted me.
now, do the bigger guys not have about eaual or better numbers than Brees in speed, strength, etc? Also, like i also already said Brees is further away from his combine days than these other guys too. After 3-4 years in the NFL your body starts losing some pop and you better use your smarts. Brees does.
eta: and Stafford ran a 4.81 at the combine. Are you just pulling the first number you see that helps your cause without understanding what it is?
LINK
and of course Brees is a good athlete....he's a great NFL player. The level of athleticism of these guys are amazing. But, relative to other QB's he is not at or near the top in physical attributes. When it comes to being a great QB, he is.
now, do the bigger guys not have about eaual or better numbers than Brees in speed, strength, etc? Also, like i also already said Brees is further away from his combine days than these other guys too. After 3-4 years in the NFL your body starts losing some pop and you better use your smarts. Brees does.
eta: and Stafford ran a 4.81 at the combine. Are you just pulling the first number you see that helps your cause without understanding what it is?
LINK
and of course Brees is a good athlete....he's a great NFL player. The level of athleticism of these guys are amazing. But, relative to other QB's he is not at or near the top in physical attributes. When it comes to being a great QB, he is.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:09 pm to el tigre
On what are you basing the "better arm" assesment with regard to those two guys? I really haven't seen it. Definitely nothing glaring.
If anything, Cutler sort of strikes me as awkward and gawky.
If anything, Cutler sort of strikes me as awkward and gawky.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:30 pm to el tigre
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and of course Brees is a good athlete....he's a great NFL player. The level of athleticism of these guys are amazing. But, relative to other QB's he is not at or near the top in physical attributes. When it comes to being a great QB, he is.
The only physical attribute Brees doesn't possess is height. That's pretty much it.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:32 pm to blueslover
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:47 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I just think it's a silly mindset to assume because a QB is a 6 ft white guy, he's automatically some sort of "gritty over-achiever
I think it is insulting to view Brees as an "overachiever". He is very athletic.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 12:23 am to el tigre
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el tigre
You came here to stir up shite, congratulations. Unfortunately, your inarticulate and horribly uneducated arse failed, miserably.......also worthy of a slightly pathetic congratulations.
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