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Posted on 3/13/09 at 4:27 pm to Midget Death Squad
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Oh yeah, LOVE your new image!
Thanks
Stole it off a friend's myspace page
Posted on 3/13/09 at 5:19 pm to eyeran
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I'm so tired of people thinking we HAVE to have a dominant running game to win a Superbowl.
Forget about a dominant running game, but how about a running game the defense has to respect?
Posted on 3/13/09 at 5:49 pm to Bad Cat
Some of us have to work so can't reply as fast as the rest of you. :P
Anyhow, way to take the bait, hook, line, & sinker. Bears line does suck, particularly at OT. Back in the day, the Lions line was horrendous for Barry, oft making some of Barry's +5 yard runs the most magical, as he was making folks miss in the backfield.
The Vikings line is the catch - nope, not bad at all, but ya'll jumped on defending it. Sooo, exactly why did the Vikings draft AP again? Where was their running game before AP? Are you calling the Vikings dumb for drafting AP? Point is, like I said, Oline & RB go hand-in-hand and a special player is a special player, period.
Someone asked, do I really believe Moreno is a 'special' back? Yes, I do, AP-like special ( no one touches Barry, sorry ). Moreno's runs ( forget the stats & watch the damned film ) in college are remarkable & clearly much better than Reggie's; only dropping acid would induce claims to the contrary. Don't agree? Think they're at best a wash on the outside or when making moves? Ok fine - let's compare their running up the middle. Oh Reggie doesn't run well up the middle, in traffic? Exactly...
More to the point, however, is as eyeran took the thread as Moreno being 'essential' for the Saints. Essential is a strong arse word. Can the Saints expect to succeed without a good RB? No. Without Moreno? Sure. The question is a measure of success, ie. when looking at the draft, the impact Moreno would have on the Saints is greater than any other player ( except Curry ) that is projected to the first round when compared to the other options available.
For instance, a large number of safeties fit anywhere between the 2nd & 4th rounds, almost / somewhat enterchangably; taking one as a need in the 1st is dumb when you can most likely get the same kind of safety in the 4th. After Curry, OLB is a wash ( just stay away from the USC boys ) and after BJ & Jerry, DT has a large drop off. At RB, there's Wells & Moreno, then Brown & Jennings / McCoy, and a huge drop off to the rest.
Now look at the picks we have and look at that draft...with no trades, you can take the cream of the crop RB, a good safety ( for the class ), and a respectable OLB ( M Freeman ), and a project DT ( RJF ). In the ideal situation, Saints trade down to 20 & pickup a 3rd. In that scenario, you can still take the cream of the crop RB, ensure the team a choice of the fairly equal safeties, and so on as above.
Let me rework the question this way, and indulge me if you will. Let's say Moreno IS the next AP or close to it ( no one will know for sure until its too late ), and if that is infact the case, the question is:
what safety, for example would you take in the first @ 14 *that is heads and tails over the rest of the class that you can draft later*? What OLB? What DT? And are they as far ahead of the rest of the options as Moreno is over the rest of the RBs?
Anyhow, way to take the bait, hook, line, & sinker. Bears line does suck, particularly at OT. Back in the day, the Lions line was horrendous for Barry, oft making some of Barry's +5 yard runs the most magical, as he was making folks miss in the backfield.
The Vikings line is the catch - nope, not bad at all, but ya'll jumped on defending it. Sooo, exactly why did the Vikings draft AP again? Where was their running game before AP? Are you calling the Vikings dumb for drafting AP? Point is, like I said, Oline & RB go hand-in-hand and a special player is a special player, period.
Someone asked, do I really believe Moreno is a 'special' back? Yes, I do, AP-like special ( no one touches Barry, sorry ). Moreno's runs ( forget the stats & watch the damned film ) in college are remarkable & clearly much better than Reggie's; only dropping acid would induce claims to the contrary. Don't agree? Think they're at best a wash on the outside or when making moves? Ok fine - let's compare their running up the middle. Oh Reggie doesn't run well up the middle, in traffic? Exactly...
More to the point, however, is as eyeran took the thread as Moreno being 'essential' for the Saints. Essential is a strong arse word. Can the Saints expect to succeed without a good RB? No. Without Moreno? Sure. The question is a measure of success, ie. when looking at the draft, the impact Moreno would have on the Saints is greater than any other player ( except Curry ) that is projected to the first round when compared to the other options available.
For instance, a large number of safeties fit anywhere between the 2nd & 4th rounds, almost / somewhat enterchangably; taking one as a need in the 1st is dumb when you can most likely get the same kind of safety in the 4th. After Curry, OLB is a wash ( just stay away from the USC boys ) and after BJ & Jerry, DT has a large drop off. At RB, there's Wells & Moreno, then Brown & Jennings / McCoy, and a huge drop off to the rest.
Now look at the picks we have and look at that draft...with no trades, you can take the cream of the crop RB, a good safety ( for the class ), and a respectable OLB ( M Freeman ), and a project DT ( RJF ). In the ideal situation, Saints trade down to 20 & pickup a 3rd. In that scenario, you can still take the cream of the crop RB, ensure the team a choice of the fairly equal safeties, and so on as above.
Let me rework the question this way, and indulge me if you will. Let's say Moreno IS the next AP or close to it ( no one will know for sure until its too late ), and if that is infact the case, the question is:
what safety, for example would you take in the first @ 14 *that is heads and tails over the rest of the class that you can draft later*? What OLB? What DT? And are they as far ahead of the rest of the options as Moreno is over the rest of the RBs?
This post was edited on 3/14/09 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 3/13/09 at 6:13 pm to RelocatedPelican
pelican making good points once again.
Posted on 3/13/09 at 6:18 pm to LDBaby
If his point is that he thinks Moreno is the next Adrian Peterson, then of course the Saints would love to have him.
Problem is, he's the only person on the planet that thinks that.
And no Pelican, Moreno's college highlights are not better than Bush's
Problem is, he's the only person on the planet that thinks that.
And no Pelican, Moreno's college highlights are not better than Bush's
This post was edited on 3/13/09 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 3/13/09 at 10:27 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
quote:Signed,
Most overhyped highlight ever IMO.
ESPN.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 12:06 am to LSUtigahs28
I read half of this thread and relocated pelican's opinions are shite. i'm moving on. good luck proving your point.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 12:20 am to Giantkiller
The onus is not on me to provide for comprehension.Posted on 3/14/09 at 9:04 pm to RelocatedPelican
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The Vikings line is the catch - nope, not bad at all, but ya'll jumped on defending it. Sooo, exactly why did the Bears draft AP again? Where was their running game before AP? Are you calling the Bears dumb for drafting AP? Point is, like I said, Oline & RB go hand-in-hand and a special player is a special player, period.
Honestly, the Vikings Oline is the best run blockin line in the league (only the Giants line could make an argument)-- and the Bears didnt draft AP
Posted on 3/14/09 at 9:25 pm to CM84
pelican u failed.sorry but bears dont have AP.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 10:58 pm to beachtiger777
I have no idea why I typed Bears instead of Vikings LOL; but hey, I admit I screwed up my post! Nice catch though; edited to fix.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 11:33 pm to RelocatedPelican
damn, now I'm wondering if man love can be this deep or if it's just chain yanking.
I haven't seen this heavy of annointing oil poured on a second half 1st/2nd Rd RB in some time.
How bout his countertop moves...
While their time in the sun was mercifully short for everyone else in the SEC–a one year run of real terror followed by a baffling final season together in 2008–know that between keg-lifting, bringing the Soulja Boy to white Georgia fans everywhere, and dancing on kitchen counters, Morenofford made their impact not just on the football field, but off the field, as well.
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I haven't seen this heavy of annointing oil poured on a second half 1st/2nd Rd RB in some time.
How bout his countertop moves...
While their time in the sun was mercifully short for everyone else in the SEC–a one year run of real terror followed by a baffling final season together in 2008–know that between keg-lifting, bringing the Soulja Boy to white Georgia fans everywhere, and dancing on kitchen counters, Morenofford made their impact not just on the football field, but off the field, as well.
LINK
disciplinary file
Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:16 am to blueslover
I'm not sure, Pelican is this your official thread to declare Moreno the first draft pick?
Posted on 3/15/09 at 3:35 pm to RelocatedPelican
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I have no idea why I typed Bears instead of Vikings LOL; but hey, I admit I screwed up my post! Nice catch though; edited to fix.
Well not completly wrong, the Bears also have an Adrian Peterson not the Adrian Peterson; theirs played for Georgia Southern, not OU.
And i can start to see your point, if you think that Moreno is the next AP (from OU) then I can sort of agree (although there are many more glaring weaknesses), but I just don't think he's that special of a player (although granted that could be my bias against UGA being a GT fan myself)
This post was edited on 3/15/09 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 3/15/09 at 6:25 pm to HeauxBeaux
Beenie Wells+Reggie Bush=division championship and first round bye.
Posted on 3/15/09 at 7:49 pm to bamablows
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I have no idea why I typed Bears instead of Vikings
Maybe because your a Moron and this whole thread backs it up
Posted on 3/15/09 at 7:51 pm to bamablows
Posted on 3/15/09 at 8:52 pm to CM84
quote:I'm not going to get into an internet argument with you...its kinda like the special olympics and you've taken the gold.
Maybe because your a Moron and this whole thread backs it up
Brown's just not the same quality of back as Moreno and Greene doesn't fit the offense.
Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:21 pm to RelocatedPelican
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Brown's just not the same quality of back as Moreno and Greene doesn't fit the offense.
Brown and Moreno aren't to far apart talent wise IMO. Why isn't Greene a good fit for the offense?
He's big, physical, quick.. great attitude. Loves to workout. No history of injuries.
Best back of the draft, IMO.
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