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Posted on 2/17/09 at 3:53 pm to Bad Cat
quote:I'm not 100% against this statement..but seriously...did you watch the vikings, broncos, redskins, and 2nd panther game??? A little defense and a kicking game and we are playoff bound!!!
If we don't get a running game going, we can't win
Posted on 2/17/09 at 4:06 pm to Edible Dirt
our running game is fine. Pierre and Reggie can get it done. We do need a third down back. Maybe it's Bell maybe not. But I'll be damned if we don't address our defensive woes first and foremost.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 4:07 pm to Jaydeaux
quote:
We should take this guy and worry about D later. I know we can't trade Reggie now but we should get a true RB to help Pierre and move on.
Que the Reggie suck off in 3, 2, .......
Worry about defense later?
You do know the defense is the Saints biggest problem, right???
Posted on 2/17/09 at 4:19 pm to whodatfan
quote:
I'll be damned if we don't address our defensive woes first and foremost.
same here. We just haven't seen Reggie or PT endure a whole season. I really like Mike Bell, hopefully he can contribute. But If in week 10 we are down to JUST Mike Bell, Brees will throw for 8000 yards.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 5:12 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:
this is why you are beyond a rational discussion
On the other hand you are claiming that PT should be getting 100 yards per game with <20 carries a game despite the fact that AD can't do that in situations with <20 carries.
And you say I'm beyond rational.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 5:30 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:
lets take a look at other backups who put up numbers as good or better than PT's...we already saw Faulks, sproles, Taylors & Norwoods
Correl Buckhalter- 4.9 ypc
maurice Morris- 4.3 ypc
Adrian Peterson (chi)- 5.0 ypc
Tashard Choice- 5.1 ypc (lowest carry total @ 92)
darren McFadden - 4.4 ypc
Denver- they didn't have 1 RB on the team average less than 4.2, and everyone but 1 was over 5.0
Mewelde Moore- 4.2 ypc
fred Jackson - 4.4 ypc
All these backs, plus the ones i mentioned earlier are all averaging at least 4.oo ypc....ITS WHAT GOOD BACKUP RB'S DO ALL AROUND THE LEAGE EVERY YEAR!
which of these guys avg 5.1 ypc and 10.3 ypr over the course of 6 games as a starter?
Posted on 2/17/09 at 9:00 pm to LSUtigahs28
quote:
you are claiming that PT should be getting 100 yards per game with <20 carries a game despite the fact that AD can't do that in situations with <20 carries
link?
quote:
you say I'm beyond rational.
yes, because you have proven again to just make shite up that i say
instead of admitting the facts thats PT's stats are pretty common for good backup rb's around the NFL every single year, you just keep exaggerating or making shite up
Posted on 2/17/09 at 9:12 pm to diat150
quote:
which of these guys avg 5.1 ypc and 10.3 ypr over the course of 6 games as a starter?
which one of those guys played on a team with a qb who had the 2nd best yardage season from a qb ever and was the #1 offensive rated team in the league?
we both know the answer...it doesn't matter, b/c fact is this is deeper than just a surface stat
but for the record, all of them had similar amounts in total carries
this conversation has run its course and really can't go much further
it seems it can't be understood that people who have concerns about a inconsistant running game still want improvements on the defensive side of the ball.
it seems that if you are not sold on PT after 1 season with stats similar to a dozen other backups in the league you must be crazy.
this is where things start getting real off point and just get further and further from an amusing comversation
enjoy guys and gals
Posted on 2/17/09 at 9:17 pm to LSUfan4444
I have never posted on this board...EVER...some things have to change I guess.
My novice opinion:
Saints cannot get it done with Thomas and Bush. Bush is unreliable and would be better served as a 3rd down back/PR/KR for career. Thomas...I mean what if he gets hurt? WHat do you do? Depend on Reggie?
The Saints need a solid RB, but how do people know that Moreno is the guy? If Wells isn't available and you Saints fans clearly want a running game over a LB like Ray M or Animal's kid, then who do you draft?
Forgive me...I'm not from NOLA and didn't grow up a Saints fan and know little about the NFL compared to college, but why can't the Saints put together a trade package for a guy like Steven Jackson (not HIM, but a RB like him)?
My novice opinion:
Saints cannot get it done with Thomas and Bush. Bush is unreliable and would be better served as a 3rd down back/PR/KR for career. Thomas...I mean what if he gets hurt? WHat do you do? Depend on Reggie?
The Saints need a solid RB, but how do people know that Moreno is the guy? If Wells isn't available and you Saints fans clearly want a running game over a LB like Ray M or Animal's kid, then who do you draft?
Forgive me...I'm not from NOLA and didn't grow up a Saints fan and know little about the NFL compared to college, but why can't the Saints put together a trade package for a guy like Steven Jackson (not HIM, but a RB like him)?
Posted on 2/17/09 at 9:18 pm to PiscesTiger
In other words, a big RB to bruise you and set up the passing game that is clearly the NFL's best.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 9:29 pm to LSUfan4444
That bastard sure hasn't put up a bunch of 100 yard games without 20 carries. Unlike that AD guy..... OH WAIT
Posted on 2/17/09 at 11:30 pm to LSUtigahs28
welcome pisces
The consensus opinion among devoted fans is that the #14 pick looks like a CB or OLB, maybe DT or OT, barring a player ranked so high he could not be turned down. There is a need for a role playing pounder at RB to add to the committee of running backs. It is a minority that think Moreno or Wells should be a #14 pick. The Saints have a strong history of BPA (best player available). Neither of them would be that by consensus draft pick ratings even if available.
Look for NOLA to pickup a FA RB. If in the draft 4th or 7th round quality. BTW the Saints are short draft picks to put together any substantial trade package.
The consensus opinion among devoted fans is that the #14 pick looks like a CB or OLB, maybe DT or OT, barring a player ranked so high he could not be turned down. There is a need for a role playing pounder at RB to add to the committee of running backs. It is a minority that think Moreno or Wells should be a #14 pick. The Saints have a strong history of BPA (best player available). Neither of them would be that by consensus draft pick ratings even if available.
Look for NOLA to pickup a FA RB. If in the draft 4th or 7th round quality. BTW the Saints are short draft picks to put together any substantial trade package.
This post was edited on 2/17/09 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 2/18/09 at 12:40 am to LSUfan4444
quote:
why don't the saints have one? and please don't say thomas is a starter in this league....please
What has he done to prove that he is NOT a starter in this league.
EVERY time he has been our feature back, he has averaged over 4 yards per carry. EVERY single game over the past 2 seasons, about 6 or 7 games, almost a half a season.
So, I'm wondering what have you seen in him that say's he's not a starter, because you really can't deny or make a good case based on his on the field performance.
Posted on 2/18/09 at 1:11 am to shel311
quote:
So, I'm wondering what have you seen in him that say's he's not a starter, because you really can't deny or make a good case based on his on the field performance.
HE DOESN'T PUT UP 100 YARD GAMES ON 15 CARRIES HE'S TERRIBLE
Lets avoid taking Shanle off the field because obviously we need to spend a 1st rounder on a guy who will get 120 carries a year.... reggie bush v 2.0 except without the pass catching ability.
Posted on 2/18/09 at 3:50 am to LSUtigahs28
If one of the highly ranked OT make it to our pick I would go that route. We have spent a lot of resources on the CB position and I think there is some decent depth already. I think by improving some of the other defensive positions(the DL needs to play up to their price tag too). The CB position will not look so weak anymore and the defense as a whole will be better. The OT to me would be safer and more valuable down the road. The other positions I would want to invest a 1st round pick in would be a WLB or FS. I just don't know if there is a can't miss pick for those positions at our pick. If we were able to trade down and pick up a second rounder it looks to be a position to me where a WLB or FS is to be had.
I will mainly be hoping for a trade partner to arise. If that doesn't happen then I hope one of the OT falls to us. If neither of those things happen I have no idea what I would want to do.
If we trade down I would continue to see if a OT is there. Then I would look to find a WLB. The second pick would be for a WLB, FS, or OT depending on what was available. I would look for a short yardage back in the late rounds.
I will mainly be hoping for a trade partner to arise. If that doesn't happen then I hope one of the OT falls to us. If neither of those things happen I have no idea what I would want to do.
If we trade down I would continue to see if a OT is there. Then I would look to find a WLB. The second pick would be for a WLB, FS, or OT depending on what was available. I would look for a short yardage back in the late rounds.
Posted on 2/18/09 at 5:58 am to LSUfan4444
quote:
which one of those guys played on a team with a qb who had the 2nd best yardage season from a qb ever and was the #1 offensive rated team in the league?
well it is safe to assume that arizona should have a good running game using that reasoning? doesnt say much for deuce or bush either.
quote:you are comparing apples to oranges. thomas ammassed his yardage while playing as the starting rb. as a matter of fact he avg more as a starter than as a backup.
it seems that if you are not sold on PT after 1 season with stats similar to a dozen other backups in the league you must be crazy.
Posted on 2/18/09 at 7:28 am to lsutiger2486
2486, you're on the right track. Search and you will see we have had some good discussions concerning those thoughts exactly:
-a top 4 OT would be a can't miss pick fo sho, JB could go be an All Pro RT and/or it could provide some tangible trade opportunities.
-CB, a chance McK won't be back, a real red flag. Even if so he doesn't have a lot of tread left. We have Porter to count on. Gay has never stepped up as a starting CB with plenty of opportunities in NE, he is a good nickel tho. David improved but still not a legit man cover, maybe too spendy to keep now too. Young just hasn't shown enough yet. IMO a Jenkins-Davis-Moore-Smith selection would shore up the CB position for many years.
-there is no safety worthy of a #14 pick, maybe not until the latter part of the round or even the 2nd. A trade down adding a 2nd could score one of these
WLB- is a possibility, I think LB or CB depends on who they pick up in FA. I'm not set on any of them as can't miss/worthy at #14 but Laurinatis and Cushing have been suggested most frequently.
The absolute best player that could fall to them would be Curry. I'd put money down that he wouldn't get out of the top 10 tho.
Trade down will be best facilitated by Sanchez being on the board. Several teams lower would want to jump the other for a future at QB. Hope Minny signs no good FA QB. A perfect trade match is #14 for their #22 & #54. That would = a CB/LB/OT and a FS starters.
-a top 4 OT would be a can't miss pick fo sho, JB could go be an All Pro RT and/or it could provide some tangible trade opportunities.
-CB, a chance McK won't be back, a real red flag. Even if so he doesn't have a lot of tread left. We have Porter to count on. Gay has never stepped up as a starting CB with plenty of opportunities in NE, he is a good nickel tho. David improved but still not a legit man cover, maybe too spendy to keep now too. Young just hasn't shown enough yet. IMO a Jenkins-Davis-Moore-Smith selection would shore up the CB position for many years.
-there is no safety worthy of a #14 pick, maybe not until the latter part of the round or even the 2nd. A trade down adding a 2nd could score one of these
WLB- is a possibility, I think LB or CB depends on who they pick up in FA. I'm not set on any of them as can't miss/worthy at #14 but Laurinatis and Cushing have been suggested most frequently.
The absolute best player that could fall to them would be Curry. I'd put money down that he wouldn't get out of the top 10 tho.
Trade down will be best facilitated by Sanchez being on the board. Several teams lower would want to jump the other for a future at QB. Hope Minny signs no good FA QB. A perfect trade match is #14 for their #22 & #54. That would = a CB/LB/OT and a FS starters.
Posted on 2/18/09 at 10:04 am to whodatfan
quote:
or DE
Don't we have like $800 billion tied up in DEs already??????????????
Posted on 2/18/09 at 10:23 am to adono
Yep. I don't think the stimulus package can touch those two contracts.....
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