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re: So, What Do We Do About WR?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 7:09 am to AlaTiger
Posted on 3/16/14 at 7:09 am to AlaTiger
We throw the ball to either Graham, Colston, Stills, Morgan, Thomas, and if we have too, Toon
What's the fuss all about ???
Oh yea and we'll probably draft another this year...
What's the fuss all about ???
Oh yea and we'll probably draft another this year...
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 7:11 am
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 8:27 am to AlaTiger
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Stills was a nice suprise last year. But, we need someone opposite Colston who can actually get open.
That's Stills.
To me, we need some new blood here, but o-line and play calling are more important improvements. We become more balanced and less predictable with our formations, then our WR's will have an easier time getting open.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:15 am to fightingtigers98
I understand that WRs are not likely to come around in the first year, and they will probably draft one in the first 2 rounds. This draft has a lot of them, so they will probably pay special attention to many late round options that fall to UDFA. The Saints FO is especially good at finding these guys with little or no pulse on the draft radar. Another thing to note, Joe Morgan is a free agent, but likely won't get signed anywhere. He'll probably return with a 1 year contract to see if he improves. Throw enough of them against the wall and one or two of them are bound to stick.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 9:22 am
Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:55 am to bountyhunter
I agree that we'll most likely end up re-signing Morgan. I wouldn't be upset if we even double dipped at WR in the draft, as long as CB, RT, and C get addressed between now ans then.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 9:56 am
Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:59 am to bountyhunter
Wr and rb are good positions to find hidden gems because a lot of guys with a ton of talent play at schools where they don't put up stats. So they get downgraded as prospects, even though they might have more talent than one of those backs putting up numbers in Bama's run heavy offense.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:16 am to landrywasbeast30
WR is so deep this year ya gotta expect one at sometime.
#27
Watkins, Evans no way possible already gone
Marquise Lee next, some chance he could be available IMO, dunno if he meets the Must-Pick criteria at #27
Beckham & Brandin Cooks fit in the late 1st range, wouldn't be a killer value but not a reach either
From #27 to #58 I have 7 WRs that would value in that range. Two or three of these would likely be available at the 2nd Rd pick-
#58
Benjamin, Matthews, Robinson, Richardson, Adams, Landry, & Moncrief. This looks like a very sweet spot for getting a WR valued higher than the selection slot.
#27
Watkins, Evans no way possible already gone
Marquise Lee next, some chance he could be available IMO, dunno if he meets the Must-Pick criteria at #27
Beckham & Brandin Cooks fit in the late 1st range, wouldn't be a killer value but not a reach either
From #27 to #58 I have 7 WRs that would value in that range. Two or three of these would likely be available at the 2nd Rd pick-
#58
Benjamin, Matthews, Robinson, Richardson, Adams, Landry, & Moncrief. This looks like a very sweet spot for getting a WR valued higher than the selection slot.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:54 am to AlaTiger
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Still waiting for Toon to develop?
That's a lost cause...should have already been dumped!
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:57 am to Tiger in Texas
quote:I'll let the coaches be the decider of that.
That's a lost cause...should have already been dumped!
We have no idea how he's progressing or not.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:08 pm to Hoodoo Man
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We have no idea how he's progressing or not.
this
By all indications to us his future doesn't appear too bright. But we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Bushrod is the example. He only appeared in 3 games with virtually no snaps when they decided to insert him as the starting left tackle. We had the same lack of intel on him.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:12 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Just ask blues how much I bombed his thread with this complaint with almost every new mock posted.
It does seem odd that we: had an excellent pass rush last year, haven't lost any pieces of that pass rush, and are adding a guy like Butler this season - yet the talking heads still question that element of our defense.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:17 pm to bonethug0108
Let me also drop this bomb: Toon and Tanner are better than any WR Carolina has.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:21 pm to bonethug0108
Elite teams develop their own and don't look to waste precious dollars on overrated free agents looking to cash in.
Decker was good, but he just went from being the 3rd option with Peyton to the 1st option with Geno. But he got paid so good for him. After Decker, the receiver position in free agency was abysmal.
I think Stills has the "it" factor needed in starting receivers. I'm also optimistic to see how Toon responds this season as the door is wide open for him to seize a spot on the roster that results in playing time.
But I think we will look to draft two playmakers, and they may both be receivers (one a starter and the other a weapon x who can catch screens and return punts).
Decker was good, but he just went from being the 3rd option with Peyton to the 1st option with Geno. But he got paid so good for him. After Decker, the receiver position in free agency was abysmal.
I think Stills has the "it" factor needed in starting receivers. I'm also optimistic to see how Toon responds this season as the door is wide open for him to seize a spot on the roster that results in playing time.
But I think we will look to draft two playmakers, and they may both be receivers (one a starter and the other a weapon x who can catch screens and return punts).
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:21 pm to Tiger in Texas
Toon has been in the doghouse since that jet's game, and I doubt he ever gets out.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:46 pm to Pendulum
After the season Loomis said they are high on Toon and that he just needs opportunity. And that didn't sound like coachspeak.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:04 pm to coldhotwings
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If the Saints could somehow land Landry in the third round, I'll be happy, happy, happy
This. Kid is gonna ball out
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:13 pm to bonethug0108
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Just ask blues how much I bombed his thread with this complaint with almost every new mock posted
Did you get as much heat as I did when I said it?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:41 pm to landrywasbeast30
I got the solution for WR and we don't even need a draft pick or free agency.
Andy Tanner
Yep. White boy to the rescue. Graham, Colston, Stills, Morgan (hopefully), Toon, and Tanner. I still want a WR or two in this draft, but would not want to use our first round pick on one unless it is one of the top WRs in the draft and they fall to us.
Need a #2 CB and a RT (if Strief leaves) before a WR.
Andy Tanner
Yep. White boy to the rescue. Graham, Colston, Stills, Morgan (hopefully), Toon, and Tanner. I still want a WR or two in this draft, but would not want to use our first round pick on one unless it is one of the top WRs in the draft and they fall to us.
Need a #2 CB and a RT (if Strief leaves) before a WR.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:45 pm to AlaTiger
Dumb
Dumb
Dumbass
Dumb
Dumbass
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:24 pm to landrywasbeast30
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I never said he was terrible. I said when teams converted first downs on third and longs, usually it was because Lewis was playing off his wr. Then you came in with stats about how good of a tackler he was.
That isn't what happened at all. You said that Lewis allows players to run freely and isn't near the ball (which wasn't true). I posted QB's stats against him You said he wasn't good in the following post:
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Lewis had great coverage on one play last game, but isn't close to the cover guy Greer is. Lewis consistently gives up yards to wide open guys.
Getting easy int's on balls thrown up for grabs while in zone coverage late in games when the other team is in obvious throwing situations doesn't make someone a good cb.
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Then you came in with stats about how good of a tackler he was.
No, that isn't what happened at all. I posted the following stats
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QB's have a 39.9 Passer Rating when throwing at Lewis, which puts him at 3rd in the NFL. Greer has a 95.3 Passer Rating against him
Lewis has allowed 1 touchdown this season, Greer has allowed 2.
Lewis has 3 interceptions and 3 passes defended. Greer has 1 interception and 1 pass defended
Lewis has had 50% of the passes thrown his way completed. Greer has 60%
You said Greer is always right on top of the receiver when he catches the ball, unlike Lewis. So I posted the following:
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Greer is allowing 14.8 YPC and has given up 96 YAC. Lewis is allowing 10.4 YPC and has given up 39 YAC.
Greer has given up 355 yards to receivers, Lewis has given up 187.
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I challenge anyone who thinks this to go back through any game this year and see who is running over to make a tackle on a wr that was open. A large majority of the time it's Lewis.
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The most yards after a catch he's given up in an entire game is 9. That is a total number, not just 1 play
The most yards given up by Lewis in a game this season is 44. Greer has 1 game this season when he's given up less yards
LINK
So your post in this thread is also completely wrong. Perhaps you should go back to the rant
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:41 pm to TigerBait1127
And I also just admitted that the thing I realized is that stats show what's happening on the plays that you don't see.
But you want to get into this again? What do those stats show? Do those stats prove that Greer wasn't in tight coverage when guys caught passes? Do those stats prove me wrong about Lewis not being in tight coverage on the plays I saw?
Stats are like a box score. They don't tell the whole story. Stats once showed that Asomugha was an elite cb. Nobody took into account that the situation he was in had more to do with that than him actually being elite player.
Those stats prove that Lewis was better on all the plays I didn't see than I gave him credit for. By the way, using one of your own stats, Greer was pretty horrible. Now do you really think Greer was as bad this year as that passer rating against him would suggest? Stats should be used along with what you see with your eyes, not as the be all end all deciding factor.
This is funny since I've seen people recently agreeing with things that I said a while ago. Things which I took a lot of heat for. The thing is, I'm used to that. I tend to see things before other people. Everyone calls me crazy and says how wrong I am, then some time later, people agree with me.
But you want to get into this again? What do those stats show? Do those stats prove that Greer wasn't in tight coverage when guys caught passes? Do those stats prove me wrong about Lewis not being in tight coverage on the plays I saw?
Stats are like a box score. They don't tell the whole story. Stats once showed that Asomugha was an elite cb. Nobody took into account that the situation he was in had more to do with that than him actually being elite player.
Those stats prove that Lewis was better on all the plays I didn't see than I gave him credit for. By the way, using one of your own stats, Greer was pretty horrible. Now do you really think Greer was as bad this year as that passer rating against him would suggest? Stats should be used along with what you see with your eyes, not as the be all end all deciding factor.
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So your post in this thread is also completely wrong. Perhaps you should go back to the rant
This is funny since I've seen people recently agreeing with things that I said a while ago. Things which I took a lot of heat for. The thing is, I'm used to that. I tend to see things before other people. Everyone calls me crazy and says how wrong I am, then some time later, people agree with me.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 4:46 pm
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