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Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:37 pm to John McClane
So why don't you compare the two running backs?
Oh, and by using your logic, you can't say that Drew Brees is any better than Bobby Hebert because they played against different teams in different years with different plays being called.
Basically, no one player is any better than any other player that has ever played the game because they played in different seasons against different teams.
Flawless logic there!
Oh, and by using your logic, you can't say that Drew Brees is any better than Bobby Hebert because they played against different teams in different years with different plays being called.
Basically, no one player is any better than any other player that has ever played the game because they played in different seasons against different teams.
Flawless logic there!
This post was edited on 10/2/11 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:37 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:no, this thread is about running back production. running behind starters is a big deal. running behind backups will affect performance. it's really not all that difficult, especially when you consider playing DIFFERENT teams, running DIFFERENT plays, in DIFFERENT situations.
What's your point? Do you think it isn't possible for a backup olinemen to be better than a starting one? This thread is about Ivory, not the oline. Idiot.
But you are right, Ivory is so much better than Ingram. Mickey and Sean really don't know what the frick they are doing in going after Ingram.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:37 pm to John McClane
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which makes the comparison completely erroneous.
only to a fool
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:38 pm to TheFreakyRobber
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I say Trade PT Cruiser & try to go after a LB,Safety or something on Defense. Just My Opinion.
I've been thinking that this season.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:39 pm to John McClane
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But you are right, Ivory is so much better than Ingram. Mickey and Sean really don't know what the frick they are doing in going after Ingram.
its not like Ivory had a major injury last year and we were down to our 5th and 6th string RB come playoff time.
I'm sure that had nothing to do with drafting Ingram, it was really because all our other RB's sucked
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:40 pm to Gugich22
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So what happens when Ivory returns?
So why don't you compare the two running backs?
Oh, and by using your logic, you can't say that Drew Brees is any better than Bobby Hebert because they played against different teams in different years with different plays being called.
Basically, no one player is any better than any other player that has ever played the game because they played in different seasons against different teams.
Flawless logic there!
your retarded-ness speaks for itself. 4 games buddy. 4 games. I'll take Ingram over Ivory any day. Right now, to come to your conclusion is absolutely baseless.
Keep thinking you are smart though.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:41 pm to John McClane
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Keep thinking you are smart though.
i don't have to...you're making me look it! thanks!
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:41 pm to John McClane
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Mickey and Sean really don't know what the frick they are doing in going after Ingram.
I am quite sure they went after him because of A) Ivory is injury prone, not because Ingram is better, B) they planned on getting rid of Reggie (not anticipating Sproles would be this good for us)
You can do better then this. It is not that hard to look and see which running back is a better running back.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:42 pm to John McClane
BUT TELL US WHY INGRAM IS BETTER THAN IVORY.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:42 pm to Gugich22
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i don't have to...you're making me look it! thanks!
nice retort. Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:42 pm to 13SaintTiger
Didn't Ivory break more tackles than MJD last year?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:43 pm to John McClane
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so Ingram isn't running behind backups? Idiot.
Look at their YPC compared to other players running behind the same line.
2011:
Ingram 3.5ypc
PT 5ypc
Sproles 9ypc
2010
Ivory 5.2ypc
PT 3.2ypc
JJ 4.0ypc
Bush 4.2ypc
So Ingram has been the least effective runner on the team while Ivory was easily the most effective (and yes, I understand that Ingram mostly works in short yardage, obvious running downs, but so did Ivory).
And I like Ingram. I expect him to improve, and I like having 3 good RBs, but they should probably try a few games with all 4 and figure out who to deactivate if they need to go with 3 RBs (and really, it's only going to be between Ivory and Ingram).
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:44 pm to TotesMcGotes
quote:better vision, not injury prone. heisman winner. He will be solid for years to come. I really do like Ivory, but if he can't stay on the field he's not valuable.
BUT TELL US WHY INGRAM IS BETTER THAN IVORY.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:47 pm to THRILLHO
statistics are unreliable. you know that. the only way we could have any sense of reliability right now would be Ivory and Ingram's numbers playing in the same role THIS SEASON. That's all I'm saying and it's pretty simple. Any other comparison is erroneous.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:47 pm to John McClane
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better vision
Link?
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heisman winner.
quote:Link?
He will be solid for years to come.
So your only real argument is that Ivory is injury prone?
This post was edited on 10/2/11 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:47 pm to John McClane
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better vision
baseless
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not injury prone
I don't think anyone disagrees with you
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heisman winner.
doesn't mean shite
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He will be solid for years to come.
no one is saying otherwise, we are talking about right now. Did you not read anyone's responses?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:49 pm to John McClane
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the only way we could have any sense of reliability right now would be Ivory and Ingram's numbers playing in the same role THIS SEASON
that just isn't true. Players are constantly compared to each other all the time, throughout the league. I guess we don't know if Brees is better than Romo because they don't play behind the same line with the same plays
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:49 pm to Gugich22
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It's literally not complicated at all. It is a fairly simple statement but you are complicating it by trying to tie in the fact that they played different teams in different seasons. That is beyond the point.
Your position is intellectually dishonest because it ignores the things that you think "complicate" the argument.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:50 pm to John McClane
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heisman winner
really? you're saying because he won the heisman that he's a better rb than ivory?
wow...you really are an imbecile.
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