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re: So what happens when Ivory returns?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:33 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:33 pm to BlacknGold
so, my view that comparing Ivory's first four games to Ingram's first four games is comparing apples to oranges is misguided?
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Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:35 pm to BlacknGold
quote:please, it's not that hard to follow.
you probably the most misguided poster on this board. you go back and forth in your "logic" that apparently only you can follow.
think you need to step back and really see what you are saying
I like Ivory. I like Ingram. You simply can't say that Ivory is better than Ingram based on their first 4 games because it is completely different, in every aspect. that isn't illogical.
This post was edited on 10/2/11 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:37 pm to John McClane
quote:
Ingram is a better running back than Ivory.
Based on what? Only thing we can go by at this point is NFL production. Ivory has produced more than Ingram. It doesn't matter if it was against different teams, etc. They have both played in NFL games, against NFL teams and Ivory has produced more. I hope Ingram develops into a great NFL back, which I expect him to be. It's not about who's better or eating crow. Based on what we have to look at, Ivory has produced more than Ingram and has value. If not, we would have cut hil during camp. We all hope Ingram is the next all-pro back, but right now all we can compare are the stats. And Ivory has shown he can produce more, when healthy. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:37 pm to John McClane
quote:
Ingram is a better running back than Ivory
You can't say that right now. Ivory was a beast last yr as far as running the ball.
At times, Ivory was a man amongst boys.
It's good to have this problem, but it's dumb to try argue who is going to be better in the long run. Just let it play out. They both good young backs.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:37 pm to John McClane
yet you say you cannot compare them because they are not simultaneously playing.
then you say "pointless stats" cannot be used either, yet you keep touting the heisman (yes its a great accomplishment, nothing to do with NFL play).
you realize there would be no sportscenter or ESPN if you cannot compare 2 players unless they are on the same team, playing the same opponents, at the same position.
btw, are you a political advisor of some sort?
then you say "pointless stats" cannot be used either, yet you keep touting the heisman (yes its a great accomplishment, nothing to do with NFL play).
you realize there would be no sportscenter or ESPN if you cannot compare 2 players unless they are on the same team, playing the same opponents, at the same position.
btw, are you a political advisor of some sort?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:39 pm to John McClane
quote:
so, my view that comparing Ivory's first four games to Ingram's first four games is comparing apples to oranges is misguided?
Yes, especially since comparing apples to oranges is quite easily done.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:39 pm to John McClane
quote:
so, my view that comparing Ivory's first four games to Ingram's first four games is comparing apples to oranges is misguided?
Why you knocking on Ivory? Youre just as bad as the people calling Ingram a bust or mediocre after 4 games
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:42 pm to CM84
Bigger question is what are we gonna do when we trade for Reggie Bush? He's better than Chris Ivory. I mean he didn't run the same plays, etc. Plus he has a heisman (or does he?)
This post was edited on 10/2/11 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:43 pm to CM84
quote:I completely agree with you. My opinion was simply that Ingram will be a better running back. I have consistently said we need to wait and see.
You can't say that right now. Ivory was a beast last yr as far as running the ball.
At times, Ivory was a man amongst boys.
It's good to have this problem, but it's dumb to try argue who is going to be better in the long run. Just let it play out. They both good young backs.
My problem is with the view (as evidenced in the post above yours) that it doesn't matter who Ingram has faced in his first four games, o-line health, etc. v. Ivory's first four games. That is an absolutely retarded view to have. It's completely different. It matters.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:44 pm to John McClane
insulting everyone who disagrees with you makes you look like a douche and gives this board the rep it has.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:45 pm to CM84
quote:I've never knocked Ivory. Ivory is the fricking man. My problem is with peoples' unsubstantiated comparisons and the support they use for them.
Why you knocking on Ivory? Youre just as bad as the people calling Ingram a bust or mediocre after 4 games
I have a feeling we are going to have a four-headed monster at running back and we will have a successful running game.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:48 pm to John McClane
so you can use Ingram's heisman as evidence, but we can't use Ivory's stats from last season?
You keep saying stats are misguided. Stats are a useful tool for evaluating a player's performance. They aren't perfect, but they help paint a pretty accurate picture. Also, anyone who watched Ivory last season could tell he was special (even in the preseason).
Ivory tore up the NFL when no one else on our team could run the ball.
You keep saying stats are misguided. Stats are a useful tool for evaluating a player's performance. They aren't perfect, but they help paint a pretty accurate picture. Also, anyone who watched Ivory last season could tell he was special (even in the preseason).
Ivory tore up the NFL when no one else on our team could run the ball.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:50 pm to John McClane
quote:
JLSIX
I want Ingram to succeed as much as the next Saints fan, but come on dude, let this one go. You're making yourself look ridiculous. I'm embarrassed for you.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:51 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:agree
aren't perfect, but they help paint a pretty accurate picture.
quote:that was in response to someone's question about why I (subjectively) believe who will be the better running back. It's a projection, as in the future. Just my opinion. My contention is purely with basing the opinion off of NFL statistics as of 4 games.
so you can use Ingram's heisman as evidence, but we can't use Ivory's stats from last season?
What I can't do right now, objectively, is say that one is better than the other right now based on NFL statistics. These differences do matter.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:53 pm to IlikeyouBetty
quote:holy shite.
I want Ingram to succeed as much as the next Saints fan, but come on dude, let this one go. You're making yourself look ridiculous. I'm embarrassed for you.
so you think it is legitimate to have as your only support statistics that are irrelevant? and I should be embarassed for pointing out that it is completely illogical?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:56 pm to John McClane
how do you still not see that your way of thinking is completely illogical?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:56 pm to John McClane
Well what supports your conclusion? Besides your opinion.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:57 pm to Gugich22
quote:
how do you still not see that your way of thinking is completely illogical?
how do you not see that comparing their statistics is completely illogical? that's where the problem starts. EVERYTHING is different. This post was edited on 10/2/11 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 10/2/11 at 9:59 pm to 3HourTour
quote:and what supports your conclusion besides irrelevant statistics?
Well what supports your conclusion? Besides your opinion.
your opinion was first.
do you honestly think those statistics are relevant? really?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 10:00 pm to John McClane
I asked you a question. Please answer it so this can all be settled. What proves that Ingram is a better NFL back than Ivory? Just answer that simple question.
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