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re: ST #27 Wish List
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:19 am to lsusportsman2
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:19 am to lsusportsman2
quote:discussion
How much of a chance is there that Mosley falls to #27?
He looks like a Top 10-20 player. He would be near must-pick on value alone. Consider the contracts of Lofton and Hawthorne and he could make them expendable as their cap numbers accelerate. A sideline to sideline ILB that can cover was a weak link last year.
In value comparison I would only put Watkins and Evans ahead of him as WRs. At CB I'd go Gilbert or Dennard over him.
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:29 am to blueslover
just to keep it rolling, from the OP-
Take these 13 names and rank them for the Saints selection. That will give us an official ST Wish List for #27-
Mosley LB Ala
Shazier LB Ohio St
Ford LB Aub
Verrett CB TCU
Fuller CB Va Tech
Roby CB Ohio St
Ealy DE Mizzou
Donald DT Pitt
Cooks WR Ore St
Matthews WR Vandy
Lee WR USC
Beckham WR LSU
Ebron TE NC
Take these 13 names and rank them for the Saints selection. That will give us an official ST Wish List for #27-
Mosley LB Ala
Shazier LB Ohio St
Ford LB Aub
Verrett CB TCU
Fuller CB Va Tech
Roby CB Ohio St
Ealy DE Mizzou
Donald DT Pitt
Cooks WR Ore St
Matthews WR Vandy
Lee WR USC
Beckham WR LSU
Ebron TE NC
Posted on 3/31/14 at 10:26 am to Isaid
quote:
11.Beckham- He is good. Don't want though he has trouble written all over him
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:53 am to motorbreath
we have 15 ballots so far, 5 more and we can call it consensus
vote on ye draftniks
vote on ye draftniks
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:10 pm to blueslover
Mosley
Roby
Verret
Ebron
Fuller
Cooks
Beckham
Ford
Ealy
Matthews
Lee
Shazier
Donald
Roby
Verret
Ebron
Fuller
Cooks
Beckham
Ford
Ealy
Matthews
Lee
Shazier
Donald
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:43 pm to Neauxla
1)Mosley
2)Donald
3)Matthews
4)Verrett
5)Lee
6)Cooks
7)Ebron
8)Fuller
9)Shazier
10)Ford
11)Ealy
12)Beckham
13)Roby
I definitely think Donald will be gone but he would be a great addition to the interior. Bunkley would most likely be cut but having a capable pass rusher in the middle of the line would be HUGE for this defense.
2)Donald
3)Matthews
4)Verrett
5)Lee
6)Cooks
7)Ebron
8)Fuller
9)Shazier
10)Ford
11)Ealy
12)Beckham
13)Roby
I definitely think Donald will be gone but he would be a great addition to the interior. Bunkley would most likely be cut but having a capable pass rusher in the middle of the line would be HUGE for this defense.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:47 pm to LooseCannon22282
quote:Not saying I don't want him, but we have three very capable pass rushers in the middle with Jenkins, Hicks, and Walker.
I definitely think Donald will be gone but he would be a great addition to the interior. Bunkley would most likely be cut but having a capable pass rusher in the middle of the line would be HUGE for this defense.
Same as having 3 very capable guys on the outside with Galette, Jordan, and Foster. Likely Butler as well.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:51 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
Not saying I don't want him
Hey, back off pal.
This is my dream.
MY Wish List.
make your own up buddy.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:58 pm to LooseCannon22282
Not knocking your dream at all, just the notion that we are lacking capable pass rushers in the middle.
Like I've been saying, if he(or anyone) is clear BPA when we pick, I'm all for it.
Like I've been saying, if he(or anyone) is clear BPA when we pick, I'm all for it.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:04 pm to LooseCannon22282
I gauge them by 1)overall value, 2)team need, and 3) scheme fit
1) is where Donald would be the pick. Depends on their grade of him. He's arguably the best DT in the class. If he is rated in the 10-15 range he could easily be a must-pick choice.
2) as bone pointed out, this is the issue. This is on the low end of needs IMO. Don't forget Glenn Foster also. The #2 or 3 CB or WR might be a better pick than the #1 DT.
3) If we were running a straight 4-3 I would make him a slam dunk. The good point is we know Ryan will scheme to whatever the strength of the players are. So I don't call him a mismatch or great fit.
1) is where Donald would be the pick. Depends on their grade of him. He's arguably the best DT in the class. If he is rated in the 10-15 range he could easily be a must-pick choice.
2) as bone pointed out, this is the issue. This is on the low end of needs IMO. Don't forget Glenn Foster also. The #2 or 3 CB or WR might be a better pick than the #1 DT.
3) If we were running a straight 4-3 I would make him a slam dunk. The good point is we know Ryan will scheme to whatever the strength of the players are. So I don't call him a mismatch or great fit.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:13 pm to LooseCannon22282
Mosley
Shazier
Lee
Cooks
Roby
Ebron
Beckham
Donald
Matthews
Verret
Fuller
Ford
Ealy
Shazier
Lee
Cooks
Roby
Ebron
Beckham
Donald
Matthews
Verret
Fuller
Ford
Ealy
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:17 pm to blueslover
I guess next time, I won't make an extra comment after I make a list 
I never said the other interior guys the Saints have can't rush the passer. If it is a strength, what is wrong with adding to that? A fierce D-line would help the secondary out even more. Plus, the Saints usually rush with four don't they? I thought Ryan ran more of a hybrid scheme. Guess not.
I did. Glad you brought him up.
Well, shite.
I put Mosely #1.
anyone want to crap all over that too?
I never said the other interior guys the Saints have can't rush the passer. If it is a strength, what is wrong with adding to that? A fierce D-line would help the secondary out even more. Plus, the Saints usually rush with four don't they? I thought Ryan ran more of a hybrid scheme. Guess not.
quote:
Don't forget Glenn Foster also
I did. Glad you brought him up.
Well, shite.
I put Mosely #1.
anyone want to crap all over that too?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:29 pm to LooseCannon22282
Actually if Mosley can cover as well as is being said and he somehow falls to us, I'd be extremely pumped up.
And I wasn't trying to knock your comment and I don't disagree with the idea of adding good players no matter where. It's just the perception of a lack of pass rush irks me. It's not you, it's me.
And I wasn't trying to knock your comment and I don't disagree with the idea of adding good players no matter where. It's just the perception of a lack of pass rush irks me. It's not you, it's me.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:34 pm to LooseCannon22282
quote:
anyone want to crap all over that too?
Well you have certainly come to right place
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:37 pm to bonethug0108
of those on our list I count only 3 that I would categorize as potential must-pick on value alone regardless of position- Mosley, Donald, & Ebron.
That value at #27 would still have to be high enough to trump a player of more need. Say someone like Beckham, Cooks, Verrett, or Fuller. That is, if they had Mosley, Ebron, or Donald as a #10-15 rating then you probably jump on them. If they were rated #15-20 you still might take the other guys even if they were rated lower
That value at #27 would still have to be high enough to trump a player of more need. Say someone like Beckham, Cooks, Verrett, or Fuller. That is, if they had Mosley, Ebron, or Donald as a #10-15 rating then you probably jump on them. If they were rated #15-20 you still might take the other guys even if they were rated lower
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:44 pm to bonethug0108
I got to see a little of Donald when he was here for the Senior Bowl. I always go to a few of the practices each year, usually on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
he is kind of a smaller DT but he reminded me a lot of La'Roi Glover. At least to my untrained eye he did.
see, that's what I was thinking too. We'd be adding a potential impact player to that position that we haven't had in a few years. Vilma was pretty good in coverage when he first got here. Lofton gives it the good old fashion try and isn't always out of position but he really isn't known for making a play on the ball. He's more of a run thumper.
Hawthorne was supposed to be the better one in coverage, right? I don't know if he's done a good job with that or not. I can't remember him making many plays there.
but I thought he did alright against the run at the beginning of last season. But as the season settled in a little, he slipped. The Jets game really stuck out to me.
he is kind of a smaller DT but he reminded me a lot of La'Roi Glover. At least to my untrained eye he did.
quote:
Actually if Mosley can cover as well as is being said and he somehow falls to us, I'd be extremely pumped up.
see, that's what I was thinking too. We'd be adding a potential impact player to that position that we haven't had in a few years. Vilma was pretty good in coverage when he first got here. Lofton gives it the good old fashion try and isn't always out of position but he really isn't known for making a play on the ball. He's more of a run thumper.
Hawthorne was supposed to be the better one in coverage, right? I don't know if he's done a good job with that or not. I can't remember him making many plays there.
but I thought he did alright against the run at the beginning of last season. But as the season settled in a little, he slipped. The Jets game really stuck out to me.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:44 pm to blueslover
In order of preference:
Mosley
Beckham
Cooks
Fuller
Ford
Donald
Matthews
Ebron
Ealy
Lee
Roby
Verrett
Shazier
Mosley
Beckham
Cooks
Fuller
Ford
Donald
Matthews
Ebron
Ealy
Lee
Roby
Verrett
Shazier
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:45 pm to blueslover
I've actually been slowly changing my stance over the course of the offseason on where we stand at CB.
At first I had it as a top need but now I have it as a take one when the value fits.
I think a pass coverage LB would do a lot more to help us out over another corner.
I really think PRob can come back and be a decent outside corner, maybe better than Greer would have been. And if White cleans up his technique I think we could actually be solid.
Meanwhile Humber is our best coverage LB. That scares me a lot more.
At first I had it as a top need but now I have it as a take one when the value fits.
I think a pass coverage LB would do a lot more to help us out over another corner.
I really think PRob can come back and be a decent outside corner, maybe better than Greer would have been. And if White cleans up his technique I think we could actually be solid.
Meanwhile Humber is our best coverage LB. That scares me a lot more.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:49 pm to LooseCannon22282
quote:He was billed as a coverage LB, but he has been anything but since coming here. Dare I saw Lofton has actually looked better in coverage more often than Hawthorne.
Hawthorne was supposed to be the better one in coverage, right? I don't know if he's done a good job with that or not. I can't remember him making many plays there.
Both of them look like run stoppers and Hawthorne is just decent at that(at least Lofton excels in that role).
And the kicker for me is they are set to cost $15m combined against the cap next year.
I've got LB as tied for second with WR(maybe even ahead of), both behind center. Then I have guard and corner about tied for 4th.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:57 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
I really think PRob can come back and be a decent outside corner
I tend to agree with this but the caveat is that being in a contract year, if he does show to be a real #2 CB he'll be expensive to retain. That would be after 4 years of erratic play too.
Think someone linked it in a thread where Payton specifically said pass rushers and cornerbacks are premium positions. In other words they are positions that often require more "reach" on value to get a desired player. Kinda the opposite for RBs and ILBs. A lot more of those as 3rd or 4th Rd are just as studly as 1st Rders. CBs and pass rsuhers virtually never "slip" in the draft.
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