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re: The Superdome is the fifth oldest stadium in the NFL........
Posted on 7/9/08 at 9:08 pm to THRILLHO
Posted on 7/9/08 at 9:08 pm to THRILLHO
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So with the "dire financial problems" of New Orleans, you think we should take out the business it receives from 10+ home games, the Sugar Bowl, the BCSNC every 4 years, and the occasional SB?
yes...not quite sure how many times i need to say it
the city of No would still receive revenue from the saints as long as they remained in the state, BUT if they leave do to the city not being able to support it long term.....they lose everything
BUT, fwiw- the sugar bowl (and bcs) has nothing to do with the saints. it was here long before the saints
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And you're making a HUGE assumption that the interest/money gained moving the Saints' playing field closer to Baton Rouge (a city full of people that don't give a shite about the Saints and didn't give a shite when the Saints or Hornets were actually playing there) would be greater than the interest lost from people in the city and the suburbs.
yes, it is a large assumption, but it is based on talking with people around the state when i worked for a sports network that did a segment on this issue
can i predict how everyone would feel if the saints played outside the city limits, no...of course not
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The Saints have been here for ~30 years.
and in the last 20, the amount of large companies in this city has drastically reduced and the importance on those companies has become more and more important in the scope of the NFL...the problem is getting worse over time and the dependence on those companies is growing at the same time....companies don't strive by being reactive and waiting till something needs to be done
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I know NOLA got fricked by Katrina, but support from the area appears to be as strong as ever
cheap ticket prices will do that...raise the ticket prices to just AVERAGE prices in the nfl and watch how attendance diminishes. again, an assumption, but do you think it is inaccurate?
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Posted on 7/9/08 at 9:12 pm to LSU28605
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I think LaPlace is a good idea. My family lives in BR and gave up our tickets because the drive to and from downtown NO every weekend was too much.
LaPlace would be much more accessible to BR and the growing population in Livingston Parish. Also, the biggest benefit would be that there would be enough room to do some tailgating. I always hated the fact that tailgating is non-existant around the Superdome. Going to tourist trap bars just doesn't compare to LSU style tailgating.
The Saints are doing great now, but I fear a bad season or two and a significant increase in ticket costs would cause the attendance to suffer just like it did for many years before Katrina. I have my doubts that NO will be able to sustain an NFL team on its own much longer, with its smaller population and low median income.
exactly...and i would bet your parents income is probably significantly more than the average income of the average saints current season ticket holder....and there are THOUSANDS of other people just like them
Posted on 7/9/08 at 11:52 pm to tubucoco
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a state of the art retractable arena by the riverwalk would have been a stroke of genius, would have revitalized the whole area, but just like most shite in NO it went by the waistside.
not to be a dick, but that idea is like 5 years old and since it was floated, the Upper Warehouse/Lower Garden District has become arguably the fastest growing neighborhood in the entire city. Building a stadium there to generate gentrification and renewal would be completely redundant at this point.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 12:09 am
Posted on 7/9/08 at 11:54 pm to LSUfan4444
LSUFan, you need to get off the the whole "stadium in the suburbs" idea. It sucks. The only people you'll find who agree with you are rednecks and fairweather fans like the pussy who decided it was "too far" to drive from Baton Rouge to New Orleans.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 12:14 am
Posted on 7/9/08 at 11:55 pm to LSUfan4444
The Saints have a lot of expensive seats. There's like 20,000 seats that are over $100. Plus all the suites.
Also, 70,000 is still above average attendance, so if you have 15,000 seats in the $20 range, it's not like it's the end of the world. That's still revenue that teams in smaller stadiums don't generate. The other 55,000 tickets probably average right at $100. Not too shabby.
Also, 70,000 is still above average attendance, so if you have 15,000 seats in the $20 range, it's not like it's the end of the world. That's still revenue that teams in smaller stadiums don't generate. The other 55,000 tickets probably average right at $100. Not too shabby.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 12:00 am
Posted on 7/10/08 at 12:04 am to AlejandroInHouston
Who is going to pay for this new stadium?? I'm fine with the Dome, nothing beats a Sunday afternoon in the Dome...except maybe a Saturday night in Tiger Stadium.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 12:13 am to LSUfan4444
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cheap ticket prices will do that...raise the ticket prices to just AVERAGE prices in the nfl and watch how attendance diminishes. again, an assumption, but do you think it is inaccurate?
Again, I think you are basing your whole argument on a false truth. The Saints ticket prices (no matter how they spin it with their "15,000 seats under $20 spiel) are probably above average. They have a buttload of $150 seats. More than most teams.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 5:53 am to AlejandroInHouston
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The Saints ticket prices (no matter how they spin it with their "15,000 seats under $20 spiel) are probably above average.
they aren't
LINK
The Saints had the fifth-lowest average ticket price in the NFL last year at $56.42, according to the Houston Texans' Web site.
i hope they are wrong....i hope we are higher up on the list so there is no need for further ticket price hikes
Posted on 7/10/08 at 5:56 am to AlejandroInHouston
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The only people you'll find who agree with you are rednecks and fairweather fans like the pussy who decided it was "too far" to drive from Baton Rouge to New Orleans.
i agree not many people from NO agree with the idea....but that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea either.
and if the guy who thinks it is too far to drive from baton rouge to NO is a fairweather fan and a pussy, why would driving to la place be an issue for the real saints fan from NO???? it shouldn't
alot of the people who hate this idea are the lower income terrace seat holders. most of the supporters of this idea are higher income fans spaced in higher ticket sections
Posted on 7/10/08 at 6:18 am to LSUfan4444
not trying to call anyone here our or criticize anyone here BUT i really think one of the biggest problems with NO is the reluctance of the citizens to change. this is one reason so many people have left..and is the MAIN reason i am leaving. so many people complain of the cities problems, but hardly anybody is willing to make the sacrifices to change
people in this city are SCARED to death of change...oh everyone thinks things should change, just as long as it doesn't affect the things they like. change everything else!!!
Orleans hes been so dependent on Jefferson (what used to be the states largest parish....not anymore) for years. Jefferson parish is commonly known as New Orleans around the state and country (except for a few in this city who refuse to acknowledge that...again, see above comment about being afraid to change)
Since the shrinkage problems (population) faced in orleans and jefferson and the financial problems growing every time someone moves out of jefferson or orleans for picayune or mandeville or ponchatoula or livingston parish (IMO) it is time NO starts finding a way to depend more on St Tammany, Livingston, St. Charles and East Baton Rouge etc for revenue.
people in this city are SCARED to death of change...oh everyone thinks things should change, just as long as it doesn't affect the things they like. change everything else!!!
Orleans hes been so dependent on Jefferson (what used to be the states largest parish....not anymore) for years. Jefferson parish is commonly known as New Orleans around the state and country (except for a few in this city who refuse to acknowledge that...again, see above comment about being afraid to change)
Since the shrinkage problems (population) faced in orleans and jefferson and the financial problems growing every time someone moves out of jefferson or orleans for picayune or mandeville or ponchatoula or livingston parish (IMO) it is time NO starts finding a way to depend more on St Tammany, Livingston, St. Charles and East Baton Rouge etc for revenue.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 7:08 am
Posted on 7/10/08 at 9:14 am to AlejandroInHouston
quote:don't agree with you, I've been there, it's grown somewhat, but nowhere near the growth it could have achieved with that plan, but it is a plan of the past like you said, like anything else in NOLA.
Building a stadium there to generate gentrification and renewal would be completely redundant at this point.
I just didn't agree with moving the stadium outside of NO, since everything economically the city has going on seems to revolve around that stadium, but I also see some points LSUfan4444 makes.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 9:16 am
Posted on 7/10/08 at 9:25 am to LSUfan4444
quote:not one of, the main problem IMHO, reason sadly, I don't live there anymore,(well industry wise also) it will always be home, but can't see it changing anytime soon, unless people band together and clean up politics.
not trying to call anyone here BUT i really think one of the biggest problems with NO is the reluctance of citizens to change.
I'm amazed when I'm in these other cities( here, Atl., Dallas,etc.) and people come together for the common cause of everyone living a better life, getting a piece of the pie, no where near the racism, and dysfunctional system NO suffers from.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:27 pm to LSUfan4444
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The Saints had the fifth-lowest average ticket price in the NFL last year at $56.42, according to the Houston Texans' Web site.
We just had a huge increase this year though. Many tickets went up anywhere from 33% to 50%.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:27 pm to LSUfan4444
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alot of the people who hate this idea are the lower income terrace seat holders. most of the supporters of this idea are higher income fans spaced in higher ticket sections
I strongly disagree with this statement.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:43 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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We just had a huge increase this year though. Many tickets went up anywhere from 33% to 50%.
i posted the chart on another page...let me see if i can find it
as we were talking about earier, the ticket increase wasn't on the "cheap seats"...or at least, the majority wasn't
my point is, this "waiting list" ad huge demand for tickets is basically centered around extremely cheap tickets in the terrace
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:44 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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I strongly disagree with this statement.
well, i'm sure we both agree we are willing to just do about anything it takes to keep the saints here so our kids can take their kids to games well after we are gone
Posted on 7/10/08 at 3:01 pm to LSUfan4444
I think people like going downtown for games. there are good spots to tailgate, good resturants, close to the quarter etc. The idea of a stadium in La Place just doesn't sit well with most people.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 3:09 pm to Roach
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I think people like going downtown for games
some do....some don't
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there are good spots to tailgate
yes, there are some good spots, but overall it sucks for tailgating
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close to the quarter
that isn't always a good thing...the majority of people who go to games does not go to the french quarter before or after games
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The idea of a stadium in La Place just doesn't sit well with most people.
depends on what group you are asking...i'm, sure it doesn't sit well with most fans from new orleans. it is less convienent for them, BUT as i have said so many times before, i just don't see how this city can afford them over the long haul
the economy was terrible before the storm and worse now, AND there are less people
unless something is done to drastically change the ecomomic scope of the city, i just can't see how they survive in downtown NO forever
current season ticket holders and citizens of NO will be the biggest opponants of ANY plan to move the stadium outside of NO....it only makes sense
Posted on 7/10/08 at 3:35 pm to LSUfan4444
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yes, there are some good spots, but overall it sucks for tailgating
See, this is what irks me about LSU-based Saints fans.
True Saints fans tailgate at Lucy's or Harrah's or the Monteleone or in the Quarter. Why the hell would you want to sit in a parking lot grilling hot dogs in 90 degree weather when you can be in a 4.5 star hotel bar sipping vodka tonics and listening to live jazz music and eating Eggs Benedict?
We aren't Green Bay. We aren't Kansas City. Our stadium isn't in BFE. We have our own traditions: walking through the New Orleans Centre (Pre-Katrina), having brunch at the Hilton Riverside or breakfast at Harrah's... grabbing a bloody Mary from Ditcharo's or Lucy's on the walk to the game.
I've grilled brats outside Lambeau. I've had sushi in Seattle on the walk to Qwest. I've gotten a sunburn in Tampa outside Raymond James. I've taken the train to Landover to get to FedEx. I helped organize the massive tailgate in the Chicago Hilton, then the jazz parade in the snow to Soldier (before I was kicked off SR.com). Every team's routine is different. Screw the mindset that the "traditional tailgate" is the only way.
If you love grilling fatty meats and listening to people blare their shitty music so much then go to the LSU game the day before. Me? I'll take my air-conditioned Monteleone lobby bar with live jazz music.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/10/08 at 4:05 pm to LSUfan4444
the waiting list came after they went to the NFC champ game, not when the tickets were lowered.
going into the Katrina season, i think they Saints were on a string of like 2 or 3 years of straght sellouts. At least about 20 games if i remember right. Was there a waiting list? No. But its not like there was an attendence problem.
going into the Katrina season, i think they Saints were on a string of like 2 or 3 years of straght sellouts. At least about 20 games if i remember right. Was there a waiting list? No. But its not like there was an attendence problem.
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