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re: 5G could throw weather forecasting into chaos
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:05 pm to TigersHuskers
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:05 pm to TigersHuskers
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Truthstream Media
Well they sound trustworthy I mean they got the word truth in there
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:07 pm to TigersHuskers
Subtle self-promotion.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:12 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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If you live in a hurricane zone, you should always have supplies and a hurricane prep plan ready.
I think the issue is being able to evacuate. Major cities need at least 72 hours warning or you'll have the storm hit during an Ivan/Rita traffic jam.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:14 pm to bigberg2000
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BTW I was in downtown Houston for an astros game and noticed I had 5G on my phone and it was glorious. It was even working inside the stadium but I assume that was just because it was a light crowd that night.
Currently there is no real 5G available. This is false advertising by ATT
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:14 pm to JetsetNuggs
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Those weather clowns get it wrong like 50% of the time anyway, whats the difference
apparently about 30%
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:15 pm to Jim Rockford
What's the reasoning behind this?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:20 pm to upgrayedd
From the link
Jordan Gerth, a research meteorologist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, has been studying this issue as part of a group at the American Meteorological Society. He says that while the FCC can switch which regions of the spectrum it allocates to phone companies, forecasters are stuck. That’s because water vapor emits a faint signal in the atmosphere at a frequency (23.8 GHz) that is extremely close to the one sold for next-generation 5G wireless communications (24 GHz). Satellites like NOAA's GOES-R and the European MetOp monitor this frequency to collect data that is fed into prediction models for upcoming storms and weather systems.
“We can’t move away from 23.8 or we would,” Gerth told WIRED. “As far as 5G is concerned, the administration has a priority to put 5G on the spectrum, and they thought this was an OK place to do it. It's just close to where we are sensing the weather.” Gerth says that wireless carriers could turn down the power emitted by 5G cellphone transmitters so they don’t drown out the sensitive sensors on the satellite. NOAA and NASA want to limit the interference noise to a level closer to what is considered acceptable by the European Union and World Meteorological Organization.
NOAA’s Jacobs told the House committee that the number currently proposed by the FCC would result in a 77 percent data loss from the NOAA satellite’s passive microwave sounders. He also said that experts from the two agencies are trying to work out a compromise. “I'm optimistic we can come up with an elegant solution,” he told lawmakers Thursday.
In the meantime, Gerth says this issue probably won’t go away anytime soon. The FCC plans future 5G auctions for the radio frequency bands near ones used to detect rain and snow (36–37 GHz), atmospheric temperature (50.2–50.4 GHz), and clouds and ice (80–90 GHz). “This is not one and done,” Gerth added. “Today it's 23.8, tomorrow it's 36.”
Jordan Gerth, a research meteorologist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, has been studying this issue as part of a group at the American Meteorological Society. He says that while the FCC can switch which regions of the spectrum it allocates to phone companies, forecasters are stuck. That’s because water vapor emits a faint signal in the atmosphere at a frequency (23.8 GHz) that is extremely close to the one sold for next-generation 5G wireless communications (24 GHz). Satellites like NOAA's GOES-R and the European MetOp monitor this frequency to collect data that is fed into prediction models for upcoming storms and weather systems.
“We can’t move away from 23.8 or we would,” Gerth told WIRED. “As far as 5G is concerned, the administration has a priority to put 5G on the spectrum, and they thought this was an OK place to do it. It's just close to where we are sensing the weather.” Gerth says that wireless carriers could turn down the power emitted by 5G cellphone transmitters so they don’t drown out the sensitive sensors on the satellite. NOAA and NASA want to limit the interference noise to a level closer to what is considered acceptable by the European Union and World Meteorological Organization.
NOAA’s Jacobs told the House committee that the number currently proposed by the FCC would result in a 77 percent data loss from the NOAA satellite’s passive microwave sounders. He also said that experts from the two agencies are trying to work out a compromise. “I'm optimistic we can come up with an elegant solution,” he told lawmakers Thursday.
In the meantime, Gerth says this issue probably won’t go away anytime soon. The FCC plans future 5G auctions for the radio frequency bands near ones used to detect rain and snow (36–37 GHz), atmospheric temperature (50.2–50.4 GHz), and clouds and ice (80–90 GHz). “This is not one and done,” Gerth added. “Today it's 23.8, tomorrow it's 36.”
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:34 pm to jennyjones
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Currently there is no real 5G available. This is false advertising by ATT
Well whatever it was my phone was noticeably faster and it said 5G.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:37 pm to Jim Rockford
i only listen to the amateur forecasters on the ot anyway
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:41 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Why? Can you give cliffs on it?
Hang on. Let me get my listening hat on before he starts.
There. I'm ready. Proceed.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:44 pm to bigberg2000
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BTW I was in downtown Houston for an astros game and noticed I had 5G on my phone and it was glorious.
You already have a 5G capable phone?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:52 pm to Powerman
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You already have a 5G capable phone?
Man I dont know. I suppose it was just some test and wasnt the actual 5G but there was a difference for sure especially when in the ballpark.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:52 pm to Jim Rockford
How could this
Lead to this
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reduce the accuracy of forecasts by 30 percent.
Lead to this
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give coastal residents two or three fewer days to prepare for a hurricane,
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:05 pm to TigersHuskers
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5G is fricking scary. Watch videos on YouTube by Truthstream Media.
Which plant are you an operator at?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:26 pm to BobRoss
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Which plant are you an operator at?
I'm not a plant operator. I watch these videos when I'm on the road and holy frick are they eye opening and informative.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:26 pm to Jim Rockford
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That reduction would give coastal residents two or three fewer days to prepare for a hurricane,
this doesn't even make sense, three entire days less to prepare for a storm?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:27 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Hang on. Let me get my listening hat on before he starts.
There. I'm ready. Proceed.
Typical OT. Mock anyone who questions as being crazy.
Enjoy your fluoride poisoned water you fools
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:28 pm to JetsetNuggs
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Those weather clowns get it wrong like 50% of the time anyway, whats the difference
The local weather dudes for BR tweet almost every other week about how hard their profession is and cry when people make jokes about them keeping their jobs for being wrong half the time.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:33 pm to TigersHuskers
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Truthstream Media.
Well it must be creditable.
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