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re: Besides free speech advocacy, Elon Musk is a big fat liar.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:05 pm to Bronc
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:05 pm to Bronc
I read every single link Johnny posted. None of which state what Johnny claimed Musk stated. You finally posted something irrefutable. After the coast-to-coast claim, musk never gave a specific L5 autonomous timeline since.
It’s just fascinating to me how a person can have a record of success in leading some pretty significant business, software, manufacturing and technology endeavors yet you summarize FSD as “hype” and “hope”. Especially considering the consistent iterations to advance it. So lazy. It’s like those that say he has nothing to do with any of his endeavors, he just invests money. Just lame and lazy rhetoric.
Full disclosure, I have a FSD equipped Tesla and most of us in the community enjoy it. I can go to my local grocery store, movies, mall etc without intervention.
It’s just fascinating to me how a person can have a record of success in leading some pretty significant business, software, manufacturing and technology endeavors yet you summarize FSD as “hype” and “hope”. Especially considering the consistent iterations to advance it. So lazy. It’s like those that say he has nothing to do with any of his endeavors, he just invests money. Just lame and lazy rhetoric.
Full disclosure, I have a FSD equipped Tesla and most of us in the community enjoy it. I can go to my local grocery store, movies, mall etc without intervention.
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:07 pm to SuperSaint
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Baws about to show up and tell you how good Elon's dick taste!!
out of everyone here, you are the most likely to know what dick tastes like felon
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:07 pm to Bronc
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why Tesla is amongst the smaller car producers but has a higher share price and valuation than any other vehicle manufacturer.
Because they aren't a car company. They make cars, but they also make home ESS, solar roof, utility scale ESS, finance resi solar, inverters, VPP, etc.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:08 pm to LSU Coyote
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And now the right treats him like one.
It is disgusting.
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And BTW, thinking about who loves and hates him now and why - the right loves him for exposing the collusion between Twitter and the FBI, etc. to silence critics and make social media a left wing circle jerk.
And the left hates him for it. They hate him for exposing the corruption and giving non-leftists a voice
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:17 pm to LSU Coyote
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Elon Musk is a big fat liar
Stopped reading right here! That is so childish sounding there was no reason to read any further.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:18 pm to Artificial Intel
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leading some pretty significant business, software, manufacturing and technology endeavors yet you summarize FSD as “hype” and “hope”. Especially considering the consistent iterations to advance it. So lazy. It’s like those that say he has nothing to do with any of his endeavors, he just invests money. Just lame and lazy rhetoric.
Sorry to break it to you pal, but hope and promises are EXACTLY what has been propping up the explosive growth in tech, and the oftentimes irrational valuations.
Some of it gets actualized and justifies the flow of money, some of it crashes and burns, and some of it, like Tesla, is still unrealized ambition. And it’s the hope of reaching that promised land(fully autonomous vehicles that provide sudden explosive growth and market dominance for Tesla) that keeps the money coming.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:21 pm to billjamin
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Because they aren't a car company. They make cars, but they also make home ESS, solar roof, utility scale ESS, finance resi solar, inverters, VPP, etc.
Yes, they are a car company. A car company that has some pet projects on the side that may or may not one day be worth a shite
Go look at their earnings, none of that stuff you listed touches their vehicle revenue, and once again, investments with any eye toward those technologies are again propped up on hope and promises of future market growth.
The tech industry should unequivocally demonstrate to any rational observer at this point that ambition and forecasted growth/market share is far from a guarantee of future actualization
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:21 pm to Bronc
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fully autonomous vehicles that provide sudden explosive growth and market dominance for Tesla
Autonomous vehicles is 1 of 32 slides in their pitch deck. You're overestimating how much they lean on that for valuation. There's way more conversation about their ESS manufacturing and how that creates value.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:22 pm to Bronc
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Sorry to break it to you pal, but hope and promises are EXACTLY what has been propping up the explosive growth in tech, and the oftentimes irrational valuations. Some of it gets actualized and justifies the flow of money, some of it crashes and burns, and some of it, like Tesla, is still unrealized ambition. And it’s the hope of reaching that promised land(fully autonomous vehicles that provide sudden explosive growth and market dominance for Tesla) that keeps the money coming.
So you think FSD is why Tesla is dominating the EV market?
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:24 pm to Bronc
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Go look at their earnings, none of that stuff you listed touches their vehicle revenue, and once again, investments with any eye toward those technologies are again propped up on hope and promises of future market growth.
I'm well aware of their revenue streams and profitability from different product lines and how they fund the business. You can consider them a car company if you want, but their large investors do not.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:31 pm to Artificial Intel
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So you think FSD is why Tesla is dominating the EV market?
No, I think their current(and continuing to fall) market valuation of 400 billion is propped up on the hope and dreams of future growth, largely around self-driving tech(and Musk agrees with me). And without that it’s hard to account for the discrepancy between their 55 billion in revenue and that valuation.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:34 pm to billjamin
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You can consider them a car company if you want, but their large investors do not.
And that’s potentially a recipe for a crash if true
Seeing as they are a car company. For its past, present, and immediate future 90% of their revenue is coming from vehicles. and if those other side projects don’t begin to take off, or the self-driving tech is more like 5-10 years out and not right around the corner, and might not be the sole dominant player either. Investors will begin putting their money elsewhere(and we already see that trend).
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:35 pm to LSU Coyote
OP, you’re a dick.
1) Is he lying or was he wrong about something?
2) you’re a dick for posting an hour’s worth of YouTube videos in order to find an answer to #1
Just use basic communication skills to say what you fricking mean.
1) Is he lying or was he wrong about something?
2) you’re a dick for posting an hour’s worth of YouTube videos in order to find an answer to #1
Just use basic communication skills to say what you fricking mean.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:40 pm to Bronc
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And that’s potentially a recipe for a crash if true
Then short it.
But you're lacking a lot of insight into what their value is if you can't see the full picture. It's a diversified company that has ESS manufacturing (the vast majority of which is consumed by the automotive division), they have 100X more data on battery management than anyone else and have hands down the best control and conditioning capabilities which is why their cars have the best degradation. There's a bunch of little things like this stacked up that create the value.
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Investors will begin putting their money elsewhere(and we already see that trend).
I work with Tesla investors every day. Their opinion of the company hasn't changed much other than exiting some positions for diversification. There's certainly no doom and gloom outlook.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:44 pm to billjamin
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Autonomous vehicles is 1 of 32 slides in their pitch deck. You're overestimating how much they lean on that for valuation.
Take it up with Elon lol. He flat out says self driving is the difference between tesla being worth "a lot of money or worth basically zero."
That was his position as of 5 months ago.
Eta: why is this anchored lol.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:47 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Take it up with Elon lol. He flat out says self driving is the difference between tesla being worth "a lot of money or worth basically zero."
That was his position as of 5 months ago.
That dudes says so much shite. One of the guys i work with gets shitty phone calls every time he runs his mouth. There's a big difference in what he says and what the people who actually run the company say and what they do.
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Eta: why is this anchored lol.
Prob because Yote started it and it got an auto anchor
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:48 pm to billjamin
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Prob because Yote started it and it got an auto anchor
Understandable
Posted on 1/20/23 at 1:05 pm to Bronc
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Not the best examples tbh
Meh - if your family sends you to good schools, but doesn't transfer much more than even low 7 figures in wealth and you turn that into billion(s)? That's still self-made.
Most billionaires are self-made. I stand by that.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 1:23 pm to Bronc
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No, I think their current(and continuing to fall) market valuation of 400 billion is propped up on the hope and dreams of future growth, largely around self-driving tech(and Musk agrees with me). And without that it’s hard to account for the discrepancy between their 55 billion in revenue and that valuation.
Or propped up on the hopes and dreams of someone who has a track record of success. Especially on delivering the capabilities he sets out to develop.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 1:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:How dare you insult us like that.
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