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re: Brussels Airport and Metro terrorist attack
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:35 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:35 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I love these threads because there truly is no answer to the terrorism and radical muslim issue but people still fling shite at the wall and hope it sticks in the form of upvotes.
It’s like 4th graders arguing over who has the better solution to make cold fusion work.
And I'm pretty indifferent on the ideas all around. I agree the Quran, when taken literally, contains the guiding principles behind jihad. I have no clue what to do about it though. We can't make billions of people stop being Muslim and we can’t do nothing. So what we have to do is attack pockets of the Muslim world to stop the spread of radical Islam and terrorism which helps in the short term, but which has unavoidable collateral damage, which leads them to hate us even more in the long term.
The world is fricked. That is all.
Yup. I'm just glad we are as isolated geographically from Western Europe/Middle East as we are
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:44 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Thank goodness for Global warming or those murderous goat humping wife beaters could just walk here to kill us.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:44 pm to NyCaLa
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Really now.
You do realize that a majority of recent attacks have been perpetrated by educated, middle-class young men. It's the ideology, not the economy.
First and foremost, this isn't a one issue problem. Yes, there are middle class, educated men in their ranks. These groups do not get where they are without people being able to operate in the world. Look at them as a whole and you can see that the point I have made warrants conversation.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:48 pm to PuntBamaPunt
When can the rest of the world start carpet bombing these areas of ISIS/radical Muslims. I'm ready for it. This shite is so played out.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:49 pm to roadGator
quote:the only good thing about the climate crisis.
Thank goodness for Global warming or those murderous goat humping wife beaters could just walk here to kill us.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:54 pm to Salmon
quote:Because they'll be seen as not in support of Islam (which is worse than being an infidel). IIRC, you've got to die for the former, and can apologize and convert for the latter
why don't the "moderate" muslims just disassociate themselves with Islam altogether?
There is a wealth of information for people who just spout off shite (on both sides). BV says not all of them are bad. He doesn't know the actual numbers as to how many Muslims support jihad and wouldn't say a damn thing if they knew a bomb was inevitable. The numbers are pretty effing shocking when you think about them.
Also, there is no appeasing them. They want to fight. They want to bring about the apocalypse. They want to die for the cause, taking out as many people as possible. Most of this stuff, as far as ISIS is concerned, is to get non-Muslims to go there and fight them. You will not talk them out of this. Only way to stop it is to kill them. Until that is realized, everyone is just wasting their time. They will not stop.
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:59 pm to PuntBamaPunt
Sitting in airports at least once or twice a month, I often find myself confused and conflicted. I'm told to be vigilant of suspicious people and packages, but I'm also told not to stereotype. Suspicion can only come from stereotyping. While I do not advocate the eradication or mistreatment of Muslims, they must accept the fact that they will rightfully be the target of stereotyping until such terrorist behavior is at an acceptable level.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 1:07 pm to Black n Gold
Do you care about upsetting someone else more than your own life? Do what you want and don't feel bad for it. Remember, TSA misses ~95% of stuff going through every single time they're tested. They exist to provide the illusion of safety, not to actually provide safety. That's why there are actual cops in airports, but they don't do anything until after SHTF. Your vigilance might save yours and other's lives
Just think how different it would've been if someone saw that bag or whatever and chucked it outside
Just think how different it would've been if someone saw that bag or whatever and chucked it outside
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 1:14 pm to Hammertime
Would it be terribly unreasonable to require all Muslims to travel through security before entering an airport in Europe? We're not talking about carpet bombing or nuking anyone. We're not even talking about kicking anyone out of the country. Simply make them go through security outside of an airport, not in an airport.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 1:20 pm to Black n Gold
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Would it be terribly unreasonable to require all Muslims to travel through security
The issue is how does one identify as "a Muslim" - not everyone wears traditional garments or a giant sign that says "I AM A MUSLIM"
Posted on 3/22/16 at 1:23 pm to FearTheFish
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The issue is how does one identify as "a Muslim" - not everyone wears traditional garments or a giant sign that says "I AM A MUSLIM"
A good start would be anyone with skin darker than Ed Sheeran.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 1:36 pm to Black n Gold
You gotta profile the shite out of them.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 1:48 pm to Black n Gold
And have a TSA-like entity screen them 
There are a lot more homegrown terrorists now, and they'll just begin using them for bombings after they recruit enough to recruit more whites
Moral of the story is that you're not gonna get actual safety until you get people in there that can do the job instead of harassing an old woman about her insulin pump and not taking off her belt
As far as bombings not in airports, we might have to get stationary or dog bomb sniffers scattered throughout the city like they have mobile nuke bomb sniffers now. Then you run into the problem of people using new and improved methods to make non-traditional bombs constantly.
I don't know what kind of training ordinary cops go through for responding to these situations, but I doubt it's enough. Maybe more cameras that read people's movements and expressions, and can identify them extremely quickly. That's pretty much impossible right now I guess. Better, legal and illegal surveillance both online and IRL.
I have no idea what is specifically in place out of those, but I'd guess a few right now. The #1 thing is for citizens to be less complacent and more vigilant
There are a lot more homegrown terrorists now, and they'll just begin using them for bombings after they recruit enough to recruit more whites
Moral of the story is that you're not gonna get actual safety until you get people in there that can do the job instead of harassing an old woman about her insulin pump and not taking off her belt
As far as bombings not in airports, we might have to get stationary or dog bomb sniffers scattered throughout the city like they have mobile nuke bomb sniffers now. Then you run into the problem of people using new and improved methods to make non-traditional bombs constantly.
I don't know what kind of training ordinary cops go through for responding to these situations, but I doubt it's enough. Maybe more cameras that read people's movements and expressions, and can identify them extremely quickly. That's pretty much impossible right now I guess. Better, legal and illegal surveillance both online and IRL.
I have no idea what is specifically in place out of those, but I'd guess a few right now. The #1 thing is for citizens to be less complacent and more vigilant
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:00 pm to terd ferguson
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You gotta profile the shite out of them.
I'm not of the mindset that all Muslims are terrorists, or support terrorism. But they need to understand that you are only as credible as the company you keep. I ended many friendships in my life because those individuals were shitty people. They need to learn to do the same.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:04 pm to Black n Gold
Just found out a friend of mine lived right across the damn street from the metro that was blown up. She's fine, but still scary as shite.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:03 pm to Black n Gold
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:08 pm to Hammertime
first quote is from a different person that the one responded to:
I would disagree overall. Certainly there are any number of confounding and complicating issues in the world - but a primary issue is really one of people doing things they think are moral because of their religious beliefs.
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the following quote is from hammertime
I sympathize with the thought process. Fighting is necessary in response to people who are in the act of attempting acts of violence.
I disagree with the last conclusion however. Use of force is only part of any solution. People can be convinced through reason to change - this is demonstrated when there are people who do leave the religion and there are people who moderate their previously fundamentalist islamic beliefs. What needs to happen IMO is people (of all creeds) need to encourage a reformation of islam similar to what christianity has already undergone. We are not going to exterminate or bully into impotence a population of 1.6 billion people. We can however do some things to encourage positive change.
There are several barriers to this reformation:
1) Reformist muslims need courage and support - the fight is unequal in part because many are simply afraid of being killed or deemed irreligious
2) Liberals in the west need to stop wishfully attributing what are muslims' religious motivations as the result of prior western imperialism or present economic woes - the fundamentalist versions of islam have been recently supported by states such as saudi arabia and iran but they have a history within the religion that simply precedes our interventions in the middle east, asia, or africa.
3) People afraid of muslim violence need to distinguish between people who are simply muslim and people who are islamists. The difference is fundamental. Islamists are a present danger whereas respect for and decency to more moderate muslims renders impotent the charge (silly such as it is for a group of 1.6 billion) of criticism being based on racism. Islam is not a race, it is a religion often accompanied by cultural beliefs. As such is can be altered by interpretation etc.
quote:
this isn't a one issue problem. Yes, there are middle class, educated men in their ranks. These groups do not get where they are without people being able to operate in the world.
I would disagree overall. Certainly there are any number of confounding and complicating issues in the world - but a primary issue is really one of people doing things they think are moral because of their religious beliefs.
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the following quote is from hammertime
quote:
Also, there is no appeasing them. They want to fight. They want to bring about the apocalypse. They want to die for the cause, taking out as many people as possible. Most of this stuff, as far as ISIS is concerned, is to get non-Muslims to go there and fight them. You will not talk them out of this. Only way to stop it is to kill them
I sympathize with the thought process. Fighting is necessary in response to people who are in the act of attempting acts of violence.
I disagree with the last conclusion however. Use of force is only part of any solution. People can be convinced through reason to change - this is demonstrated when there are people who do leave the religion and there are people who moderate their previously fundamentalist islamic beliefs. What needs to happen IMO is people (of all creeds) need to encourage a reformation of islam similar to what christianity has already undergone. We are not going to exterminate or bully into impotence a population of 1.6 billion people. We can however do some things to encourage positive change.
There are several barriers to this reformation:
1) Reformist muslims need courage and support - the fight is unequal in part because many are simply afraid of being killed or deemed irreligious
2) Liberals in the west need to stop wishfully attributing what are muslims' religious motivations as the result of prior western imperialism or present economic woes - the fundamentalist versions of islam have been recently supported by states such as saudi arabia and iran but they have a history within the religion that simply precedes our interventions in the middle east, asia, or africa.
3) People afraid of muslim violence need to distinguish between people who are simply muslim and people who are islamists. The difference is fundamental. Islamists are a present danger whereas respect for and decency to more moderate muslims renders impotent the charge (silly such as it is for a group of 1.6 billion) of criticism being based on racism. Islam is not a race, it is a religion often accompanied by cultural beliefs. As such is can be altered by interpretation etc.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:15 pm to molsusports
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convinced through reason to change
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:20 pm to CFDoc
They think the same cell from the Paris attack committed this attack. This was a massive intelligence breakdown.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:31 pm to Beaver Bandit
Damn, you're ignorant.
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