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re: Christianity and Aliens
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:40 am to SallysHuman
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:40 am to SallysHuman
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“And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
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“When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose… The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.”
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:41 am to ronricks
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Alien life nails the coffin shut on ALL religions not just Christianity. There will be people who try and find some vague Bible verse to justify it like always but alien life and life on other planets or universes destroys everything in all religions.
The Bible discusses created beings that are not humans. These created beings visit on Earth.
Angels and Demons?
That is obviously a non-terrestrial life form, is it not?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:42 am to pelsfan8976
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Life may exist elsewhere but the traveling here is the tricky part. Traversing all physical temperature, radiation, and time span issues is unlikely. Then you add being able to live on a foreign planets atmosphere, gravitation, and bacterial/viral spectrum, its more unlikely. The best science fiction has been able to do to try to compensate for these variables includes traveling through wormholes in space while hibernating in a pod then using a suit that protects you from every type of planetary atmosphere issue. I dont think its possible.
Sure, if the ETs had bodies even remotely similar to ours, or were limited by our own human limitations. Who says they have to be?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:43 am to SallysHuman
Not for m3. What if what we call aliens, the ancients called angels? God created all things.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:43 am to SallysHuman
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Their Faith was credited to them... if you read the Bible, it explains this.
Belief with a lot of ritual and works for you to get to heaven. Jesus came to put an end to all of this.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:44 am to SallysHuman
Not even a little bit.
If God is our father, then we are the functional equivalent of a two year old child (and that’s probably being generous to us). The gap in knowledge between an human parent and their two year old child is certainly orders of magnitude smaller than the gap in knowledge of that human parent and the creator of the collective sum of all space and time. So using the analogy of a two year old is already giving us too much credit to begin with… but let’s roll with it…
We all understand that no parent in human history has ever been capable of explaining the full depth and complexity of the world they live in to their two year old. Not even close. So I don’t see why God our father would operate on any different restriction. He might be perfect, but we certainly are not. And so many of the things he wants to tell us, we simply are not yet developed enough to understand.
So if we are going to accept that we’re two years old now, then when God revealed himself through Jesus, we were maybe one. Maybe. And at that point, our infant brains were only prepared to understand so much about the nature of reality.
Now, as we are slowly growing up, we’re capable of understanding ever so slightly more about the nature of the universe than we were 2000 years ago (a parent can clearly communicate more complex things to a two year old than they can to a one year old).
Awareness of aliens would fit seamlessly into that pattern of growth.
If God is our father, then we are the functional equivalent of a two year old child (and that’s probably being generous to us). The gap in knowledge between an human parent and their two year old child is certainly orders of magnitude smaller than the gap in knowledge of that human parent and the creator of the collective sum of all space and time. So using the analogy of a two year old is already giving us too much credit to begin with… but let’s roll with it…
We all understand that no parent in human history has ever been capable of explaining the full depth and complexity of the world they live in to their two year old. Not even close. So I don’t see why God our father would operate on any different restriction. He might be perfect, but we certainly are not. And so many of the things he wants to tell us, we simply are not yet developed enough to understand.
So if we are going to accept that we’re two years old now, then when God revealed himself through Jesus, we were maybe one. Maybe. And at that point, our infant brains were only prepared to understand so much about the nature of reality.
Now, as we are slowly growing up, we’re capable of understanding ever so slightly more about the nature of the universe than we were 2000 years ago (a parent can clearly communicate more complex things to a two year old than they can to a one year old).
Awareness of aliens would fit seamlessly into that pattern of growth.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:46 am to funnystuff
With all of that said, I’d actually be even more excited about a universe without any intelligent life forms other than ourselves. It would leave only one logical conclusion about god’s will for us…
Manifest destiny on a universal scale
Manifest destiny on a universal scale
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Aliens, like a civilization that existed before the civilizations written of in the Bible, SHOULD raise some major questions, b/c they're kind of large details to leave out of a book that purportedly describes the formation of the universe.
Quick Bible check...
does the Bible mention created beings that are not humans? Yes.
does the Bible mention these beings interaction from time to time with humans? Yes.
what is a good, solid, scientific word for beings that are not of this Earth? Extraterrestrials.
If one accepts the reality of Angels (and Demons), are they not extraterrestrial?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:48 am to funnystuff
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Now, as we are slowly growing up, we’re capable of understanding ever so slightly more about the nature of the universe than we were 2000 years ago (a parent can clearly communicate more complex things to a two year old than they can to a one year old). Awareness of aliens would fit seamlessly into that pattern of growth.
Love the analogy... It very much jibes with how I think about these things.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:48 am to SallysHuman
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Would definitely fit squarely in angels and demons. This would actually further affirm my worldview.
How?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:51 am to SallysHuman
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does the Bible mention created beings that are not humans? Yes.
List the specific references so we can see if they qualify as aliens.
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what is a good, solid, scientific word for beings that are not of this Earth? Extraterrestrials.
Biological beings that have created their own society/species over time elsewhere are a very specific thing. That's what we're talking about.
Don't try the blue jeans wearing, earpiece-using, youth pastor sermon thing and say "they're extra terrestrials" to divert focus from what's actually being discussed...
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If one accepts the reality of Angels (and Demons), are they not extraterrestrial?
...because this is the silliness your diversion can flow to "logically"
This thread isn't discussing angels. It's discussing aliens.
Is it theoretical that some historical descriptions of aliens are angels? Sure, but this thread isn't focused on that scenario. Aliens, being biological beings that have created their own society/species over time, cannot be the Biblical concept of aliens, which are ethereal beings of God's Kingdom.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:53 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Would definitely fit squarely in angels and demons. This would actually further affirm my worldview.
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How?
Angels are created beings whose home is not Earth.
They are, by definition, extraterrestrial to us humans.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:53 am to funnystuff
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We all understand that no parent in human history has ever been capable of explaining the full depth and complexity of the world they live in to their two year old. Not even close. So I don’t see why God our father would operate on any different restriction. He might be perfect, but we certainly are not. And so many of the things he wants to tell us, we simply are not yet developed enough to understand.
So if we are going to accept that we’re two years old now, then when God revealed himself through Jesus, we were maybe one. Maybe. And at that point, our infant brains were only prepared to understand so much about the nature of reality.
Now, as we are slowly growing up, we’re capable of understanding ever so slightly more about the nature of the universe than we were 2000 years ago (a parent can clearly communicate more complex things to a two year old than they can to a one year old).
What, specifically, has advanced in humans where we are capable of comprehending this now and humans of Rome could not?
If your POV was the Bronze Age, MAYBE you'd have an argument (although they were quite complex themselves). But Rome?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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List the specific references so we can see if they qualify as aliens.
They are life forms that are not of this Earth.
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Biological beings that have created their own society/species over time elsewhere are a very specific thing. That's what we're talking about.
We who? I made this thread.
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Is it theoretical that some historical descriptions of aliens are angels? Sure, but this thread isn't focused on that scenario. Aliens, being biological beings that have created their own society/species over time, cannot be the Biblical concept of aliens, which are ethereal beings of God's Kingdom.
Why are you so focused on telling ME what this thread is about? Who made you arbiter up in here?
You're so quick to explain MY thread to me, ya done screwed up... reread what you typed.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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What, specifically, has advanced in humans where we are capable of comprehending this now and humans of Rome could not?
Human understanding of the universe, while still small... is greater now than it ever was. Romans weren't launching rockets.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:00 am to SallysHuman
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Why are you so focused on telling ME what this thread is about?
Did you make a thread about aliens or angels?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:01 am to SallysHuman
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Human understanding of the universe, while still small... is greater now than it ever was. Romans weren't launching rockets.
Why is launching rockets a prerequisite for understanding life may come from outside of Earth?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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Did you make a thread about aliens or angels?
Both.
Next question?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why is launching rockets a prerequisite for understanding life may come from outside of Earth?
Again... our understanding of the universe, while small, is still greater than it was in ancient Rome.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:12 am to SallysHuman
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Both.
As for angels, Christianity already comprehends them, so I am curious why you'd ask this
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Does the possibility of extra-terrestrial life forms affect your faith?
for angels.
As for aliens, my point about aliens stands.
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Aliens, like a civilization that existed before the civilizations written of in the Bible, SHOULD raise some major questions, b/c they're kind of large details to leave out of a book that purportedly describes the formation of the universe. Leaving out such major things raise many questions about a deity-inspired work and start to solidly cement a man-created work by showing how the book was written with the comprehension of simple people of those eras and not a total comprehension of all existence like the Christian God is purported to have.
Note: this comment has NOTHING to do with angels
I'm not going to let you bait and switch the discussion.
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