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re: Civil War time travel question/debate
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:27 am to Azranod
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:27 am to Azranod
quote:I'm truly happy for you.
Never said they did, just saying I know better than you what they're capable of.
100 SEALs aren't defeating an entire army by themselves on horseback.
ETA: I hope you're trolling.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 9:28 am
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:27 am to Azranod
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We're not talking disperse, we're talking sneak in, take out the Sentries and people sleeping, and let the Officers try to rally dead bodies as they get cut down.
They cause havoc for sure, but to say they'd be able to win the war is absurd. Once again, they'd be facing either 750,000 to almost 3 million men. Sorry, but no.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:31 am to Darth_Vader
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Let's say you replace either the union or confederate army at Antietam with is force of SEALS. They'd be facing either 75,500 union solders with 20 artillery batteries in support or almost 40,000 confederates with 25 artillery batteries in support.
You are assuming a conventional war. I believe the SEALs would fight from a distance and/or with guerrilla tactics. The SEALs would stay just outside of artillery range and take out the officers and artillery.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:33 am to Darth_Vader
It all depends what your definition of win is,
Can they kill an entire army of course not.
Could they win by making the war unmanageable, destroying moral, eliminating command and control, and generally eliminating the will to fight, it's possible.
Can they kill an entire army of course not.
Could they win by making the war unmanageable, destroying moral, eliminating command and control, and generally eliminating the will to fight, it's possible.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:33 am to LasVegasTiger
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AK's
Oh is that what the SEAL's use now?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:34 am to Darth_Vader
Absolute ridiculousness. Does anyone really have any idea of the sheer number 500k is? Or even more? It is an astronomical number that people really can't imagine.
And as far as one side or the other taking horrible numbers of killed/wounded, look at some of those battles.
Heck, they don't even have to attack. They could dig in and surround them and lay siege to whatever area they were in. They would kill a bunch, but in the end, huge numbers like that just can't be overcome.
And as far as one side or the other taking horrible numbers of killed/wounded, look at some of those battles.
Heck, they don't even have to attack. They could dig in and surround them and lay siege to whatever area they were in. They would kill a bunch, but in the end, huge numbers like that just can't be overcome.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:38 am to prince of fools
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Oh is that what the SEAL's use now?
My little guy on Call of Duty runs around with one, which is about as real as this scenario that has people going back in time in a time machine. So yeah they can use AK's if they want.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:47 am to LasVegasTiger
quote:
this scenario has people going back in time in a time machine. So yeah they can use AK's if they want.
I guess if we are throwing time machines into the equation, any rifle is fair game.
On topic, I think the SEALS would cause major havoc taking out the brass and basically turning battlefield decision making into a complete CF, but I would expect at some point that they would catch on just by seeing the methods the SEALS were using to wipe out their officers and fight them unconventionally. Shear #'s would win in the end.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:47 am to MSTiger33
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You are assuming a conventional war. I believe the SEALs would fight from a distance and/or with guerrilla tactics. The SEALs would stay just outside of artillery range and take out the officers and artillery.
If they're only equipped with infantry weapons, there is no way for them to stay outside of artillery range. They would be found, fixed, and destroyed in short order.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:47 am to Dizz
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Could they win by making the war unmanageable, destroying moral, eliminating command and control, and generally eliminating the will to fight, it's possible.
And you think a nation of millions surrenders to 100 or less guys? No matter how it's going?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:50 am to thetempleowl
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Heck, they don't even have to attack. They could dig in and surround them and lay siege to whatever area they were in
How the frick are they going to find them? Even if there location was found out (chances are next to impossible), it would take days to weeks to get word out to all the troops. All million men don't act as one unit.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:53 am to LasVegasTiger
I've thought about this too. Except in my scenario, it's just me with an AK and I'm running things in ancient Rome 
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:53 am to PhiTiger1764
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How the frick are they going to find them? Even if there location was found out (chances are next to impossible), it would take days to weeks to get word out to all the troops. All million men don't act as one unit.
You've been playing way too much CoD.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:55 am to Darth_Vader
The dysentery would probably get them first.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:55 am to LSUsuperfresh
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I've thought about this too. Except in my scenario, it's just me with an AK and I'm running things in ancient Rome
Glad I am not the only one. Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:57 am to Darth_Vader
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they'd be facing either 750,000 to almost 3 million men. Sorry, but no.
earlier it was 500,000...its grown 6x since then?
what was the largest group in one place for a battle?
the 100 men would not need to stand and fight...take out a few officers at a times would be the strategy.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:59 am to Darth_Vader
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You've been playing way too much CoD.
I don't play Nintendo.
I mean I admit I could be completely wrong. Maybe I am underestimating the ability of civil war era troops..
Is there a number of troops from that era you think 100 Seals could take down? 10k? 50k?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 10:01 am to LasVegasTiger
don't know if they win the war, but they certainly win some battles.
The accurate range of todays rifles would mean that these guys could just stand off out of range and mow down company after company. Add in the snipers popping officer melons and you have full scale calamity on the receiving end.
And I wouldn't put but 3 or 4 SEALs together at any one time. Keep a few on horseback for quick deployment put a couple in each company of a battle.
Those new weapons are massive force multipliers and would successfully blunt any frontal attack.
The accurate range of todays rifles would mean that these guys could just stand off out of range and mow down company after company. Add in the snipers popping officer melons and you have full scale calamity on the receiving end.
And I wouldn't put but 3 or 4 SEALs together at any one time. Keep a few on horseback for quick deployment put a couple in each company of a battle.
Those new weapons are massive force multipliers and would successfully blunt any frontal attack.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 10:01 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:
Is there a number of troops from that era you think 100 Seals could take down? 10k? 50k?
people assume you have to kill the entire military force apparently...has that ever been done when winning a war?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 10:08 am to LasVegasTiger
and we are ALL guilty of using the SEALs incorrectly.
They are best used for surprise ambush/attack. So no more using them on the battlefields.
With that said,
Send in say, 30 SEALs and take out Lincoln and the Congress. Just let them wreck shop in Washington and at the Department of War.
Send 8 into the Springfield Armory and destroy it's capabilities to make arms.
Send a few to New York and effectively sink any ship in the harbor.
Hit the rail heads and the switch points.
100 SEALs could bring an 1861 North to s sudden inability to make war.
They are best used for surprise ambush/attack. So no more using them on the battlefields.
With that said,
Send in say, 30 SEALs and take out Lincoln and the Congress. Just let them wreck shop in Washington and at the Department of War.
Send 8 into the Springfield Armory and destroy it's capabilities to make arms.
Send a few to New York and effectively sink any ship in the harbor.
Hit the rail heads and the switch points.
100 SEALs could bring an 1861 North to s sudden inability to make war.
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