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re: Civil War time travel question/debate
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:31 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:31 am to Topwater Trout
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i just don't think they would stand a chance against soldiers trained as seals with the superior weaponry seals would have.
This is always a big decision maker in battle. Superior numbers does not decimate superior fire power. Given that part of the original parameters was unlimited ammo for the SEALs, the only logical way of that happening is that there ammo was pre-staged by whomever sent the SEALs back in time. With this factor, the SEALs can bring about the Casualties necessary to defeat a regiment, especially as an ambush.
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:31 am to LasVegasTiger
Don't know if it has been mentioned already, but there is an awesome book by Harry Turtledove called "Guns of the South." An organization with the means to travel back in time supplies the South with AK-47s. It's alternate history Civil War fiction, and it's one of my favorite books - a very fun read, though things don't always work out like you'd expect.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:32 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
there would be no need for a frontal charge.
Cluster bomb the ridge and mop up.
Cluster bomb the ridge and mop up.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:32 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Would Pickett's Charge succeeded if he had close air support?
Uh yeah. Very ineffective artillery barrage prior to the charge across a mile of open ground and they still came very very close to breaking the line. Don't get me started on the stupidity of Gettysburg. No Lee's brightest moments.
Uh yeah. Very ineffective artillery barrage prior to the charge across a mile of open ground and they still came very very close to breaking the line. Don't get me started on the stupidity of Gettysburg. No Lee's brightest moments.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:33 am to Topwater Trout
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Not syaing the calvary wasn't effective then....i just don't think they would stand a chance against soldiers trained as seals with the superior weaponry seals would have.
Training as SEALS does not prepare one for fighting on horseback as a cavalry trooper. There is a specific skill set that goes with riding in the cavalry. It's far more than a matter of grabbing up your M4 carbine and riding off on a horse.
Once again, you take 100 SEALS, put them on horses where they will engage an entire civil war era cavalry corps in a cavalry campaign, the SEALS will be wiped out. Yeah, they'll kill some (not as many as you'd think though) but they'd be totally outclassed and destroyed simply because they would not know what they were doing while they would be facing a massive force highly trained and well equipped for cavalry warfare.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:33 am to Darth_Vader
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What's the name of the series?
Days of Infamy
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:35 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Would Pickett's Charge succeeded if he had close air support?
Hell, it would have succeeded if Lee would have just had a couple more brigades to flow through the hole that the charge opened very briefly in the Union line.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:37 am to Scream4LSU
Take into account that most uniforms of this War were homemade. SEALs obtain uniforms of Army they are sent to kill. SEALs don uniforms. SEALs infiltrate said Army. SEALs dispatch of said Army in the "dead" of the night(pun intended).
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:39 am to LasVegasTiger
Navy seals you say? Yeah, those guys are siding with the north. You can't remove free will entirely.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:40 am to Darth_Vader
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Hell, it would have succeeded if Lee would have just had a couple more brigades to flow through the hole that the charge opened very briefly in the Union line.
This too.
Armistead almost got it done. One more regiment even could have made it happen. To bad they slaughtered everyone the day before trying to get up little round top.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:41 am to LasVegasTiger
This thread is full of the conceit that we are smarter than people that lived 160 years ago. The first time they ran into SEALS, they would quickly learn that they were facing an enemy with automatic weapons and would adjust their tactics accordingly. It's not like they would still line up and charge in mass formations. You probably would see a quicker adaptation away from single shot muskets to the more modern "repeating rifles" or at least breach loaders. (Remember the Ferguson breach loaders were around during the American Revolution.) Also, they could simply fall back and let the bad drinking water take care of the SEALS over time. Maybe leave a few small pox blankets behind.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:41 am to LasVegasTiger
They would run out of ammo. If I was fighting them I would just swoop in at night and kill a few at a time while they sleep. Gotta be sneaky about this shite.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:43 am to TigerDeacon
quote:fricking this.
This thread is full of the conceit that we are smarter than people that lived 160 years ago. This thread is full of the conceit that we are smarter than people that lived 160 years ago. The first time they ran into SEALS, they would quickly learn that they were facing an enemy with automatic weapons and would adjust their tactics accordingly. It's not like they would still line up and charge in mass formations.
Apparently, the armies of the north and south would stand there like mannequins while the heads of hundreds of thousands of soldiers get blown off.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:44 am to LasVegasTiger
quote:They would still win
It would be either them vs the North or them vs the South, not vs both.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:45 am to Scream4LSU
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This too.
Armistead almost got it done. One more regiment even could have made it happen. To bad they slaughtered everyone the day before trying to get up little round top.
Very true. Or had Lee really thought outside the box and instead of sending them off on a wild goose chase, Lee had held Stuart and his cavalry back in reserve. Then just as Armistead reached the top of the hill the Confederate Cavalry Corps had been sent through that gap.... just imagine.
The war could have turned out very different from that point.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:47 am to LasVegasTiger
This may have been said already, but have you been reading some Harry Turtledove? He wrote a book called The Guns of the South with a very similar premise.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:50 am to HempHead
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Harry Turtledove
You're about the 5th one. But don't feel bad. Before this thread I figured I was probably the only Turtledove fan here.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:50 am to Azranod
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This is always a big decision maker in battle. Superior numbers does not decimate superior fire power. Given that part of the original parameters was unlimited ammo for the SEALs, the only logical way of that happening is that there ammo was pre-staged by whomever sent the SEALs back in time. With this factor, the SEALs can bring about the Casualties necessary to defeat a regiment, especially as an ambush.
this is how i am thinking. I also think they would have night vision goggles, gilly suits, sniper rifles...etc. Taking out the officers, leaving troops leaderless is a big deal in war.
The naysayers also aren't taking into account that the civil war soldiers would see they are at a distinct disadvantage, except in numbers, and it could could possibly change their whole outlook on fighting...its one thing going up against an army/soldier that is similarly armed as you are but when you are being shot at night from who knows where could be very taxing mentally.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:51 am to boom roasted
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This thread is full of the conceit that we are smarter than people that lived 160 years ago.
fricking this.
Apparently, the armies of the north and south would stand there like mannequins while the heads of hundreds of thousands of soldiers get blown off.
We're not talking about the intelligence of you nor I, we are however talking about the training of two different styles of fighters. Everything the Armies of the past knew about ambush attacks and guerrilla warfare has been expanded upon and critiqued into the training of modern Special Forces. The SEALs are just too superior at what they do to completely.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:53 am to boom roasted
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Apparently, the armies of the north and south would stand there like mannequins while the heads of hundreds of thousands of soldiers get blown off.
have you seen how civil war battles were fought?
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