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re: Daughter’s alcoholism and mental illness.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:50 pm to WhoKnows
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:50 pm to WhoKnows
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It’s garbage but take your L on this. I understand you think you understand everything there is to know about this and I don’t doubt your credentials, but you’re being blinded by that as well. We as society have been told numerous times x, y, or z can’t be abused and yet we junkies will find ways to alter our minds.
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Conclusions: The dopaminergic, stimulant-like, bupropion activities may be associated with its possible recreational value.
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Known as “welbys,” “wellies,” “dubs,” or “barnies,” its recreational use by oral or nasal routes was first described some 15 years ago (McCormick, 2002; Welsh and Doyon, 2002; GSK, 2016). More recently, reports of high-dose bupropion injecting have appeared as well (Baribeau and Araki, 2013), with people misusing the drug to get a “high” similar to the one obtained through other stimulants, such as cocaine.
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Bupropion is a cathinone derivative (Lewin et al., 2014); similar to remaining molecules of this class, one could argue that its diversion potential and reinforcement of misuse may be related to its dopaminergic and noradrenergic effects (Vento et al., 2013). Most bupropion abusers present with a history of drug addiction (Khurshid and Decker, 2004; Hill et al., 2007; Langguth et al., 2009; Kim and Steinhart, 2010; Reeves and Ladner, 2013; Yoon and Westermeyer, 2013); higher prevalence levels have been identified in inmates, and this has brought to bupropion removal of from some US prison formularies (Laird and Narayan, 2009; Phillips, 2012; Hilliard et al., 2013).
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Despite data collection limitations, and although further studies are clearly needed, both the literature and current EMA data may suggest that, in comparing these two molecules, bupropion appeared to be prone to misuse/abuse (Orsolini et al., 2015; Stassinos and Klein-Schwartz, 2016), whilst venlafaxine was more frequently reported as being associated with withdrawal. Present data may help the clinician in making a more informed decision about AD prescribing. One could argue, for example, that bupropion should be prescribed with caution in clients with a history of substance misuse,
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The mechanism of reinforcement of misuse of bupropion is related to the effect on dopamine and norepinephrine neurotransmitter systems. When bupropion is crushed and ingested via nasal insufflation, a faster and higher affinity for neurotransmitters occurs, heightening the misuse potential. A literature search and illustrative case studies are presented demonstrating the misuse potential, along with a review of the clinical implications.
It’s garbage but take your L on this. I understand you think you understand everything there is to know about this and I don’t doubt your credentials, but you’re being blinded by that as well. We as society have been told numerous times x, y, or z can’t be abused and yet we junkies will find ways to alter our minds.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 12:12 am
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 5:39 am to WhoKnows
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research, likely done by during the clinical trial phase, under the supervision of the FDA, states NO psychostimulant effect...
No offense, but…I don’t trust them or their findings.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 5:41 am to dallastiger55
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I would try a SSRI
This could be catastrophic.
If she is bipolar, determining if it’s 1 or 2 is incredibly important.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 6:15 am to kywildcatfanone
A message board is good place to get multiple opinions mostly anonymous.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 6:22 am to BluegrassCardinal
I feel for you man. Dealing with depression in one of my kids now at home and dropped out of school. Did not think this would be my life. I should be enjoying life approaching retirement but I am blessed to be able to give him the best medical and psychiatric help. Keep fighting the good fight.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 6:41 am to TexasTiger89
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I feel for you man. Dealing with depression in one of my kids now at home and dropped out of school. Did not think this would be my life. I should be enjoying life approaching retirement but I am blessed to be able to give him the best medical and psychiatric help. Keep fighting the good fight.
A friend told me after Mass yesterday that this might be what I’m called to do-support and love our daughter through this. I won’t lie, it’s tough. I’ve seen alcohol and substance use destroy my birth family. I feel as if I’ve been fighting this demon my entire life.
I hope your son can recover and find his way.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:07 am to TexasTiger89
I understand this. Adopted 2 kids. 18 yo girl has been in multiple rehab centers since age of 13. She hit 18 and declared herself an adult. I couldn’t tell you where she is tonight. Now 8 yo old adopted son has his own struggles. Genetics of bio parents are strong. We are trying to get him the help he needs but the system is broken. I don’t want him to become a lab rat like they did with his sister. It puts a tremendous strain on the marriage life. I’m still not sure if we will survive this one. God bless you and your search for the best help for your daughter.
EDIT: I too never thought I would be in this situation at this stage in my life. Early 60,s and dealing with this. But maybe better it be me instead of someone else.
EDIT: I too never thought I would be in this situation at this stage in my life. Early 60,s and dealing with this. But maybe better it be me instead of someone else.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 7:18 am
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:20 am to BluegrassCardinal
BluegrassCardinal
I hope you see this message. My son (teenager) was starting to have issues with depression and not feeling right (his words). We had him see the usual psych doctor and had him tested for depression meds. Seeing the Psych doctor helped somewhat because she reassured him that he is living a good life and has good parents but he still wasn't like his brothers.
In the meantime I was researching different diets for myself and my wife in hopes to better our own health. Started my wife and I on a plant based diet (not vegetarian) as well as cutting out seed oils (vegetable oils) and sugars. Because I prepare all the meals the kids also got the benefits of a healthier diet. Saw small improvements in his mood to the point that he refused the antidepressants as he didn't see a need. Happened upon a podcast about Just Thrive probiotics and learned that 80%+ of Serotonin is produced in the gut. Started him on probiotics and saw an immediate improvement (within days). He has always had stomach issues since he was an infant so our theory is that his stomach and lack of serotonin was causing these issues. In just a few months time he is a straight A student, made it to the state championship in his individual sport (swimming) for the first time, and has been a normal teen age kid hanging out with his friends at football and basketball games.
Everyone is different but for a low or pretty much no cost solution try a diet change as well as some probiotics. I know it sounds too simple but it worked for us.
The books I read for research were
Deep Nutrition by Dr Shanahan
How not to die by Dr Greger
I hope you see this message. My son (teenager) was starting to have issues with depression and not feeling right (his words). We had him see the usual psych doctor and had him tested for depression meds. Seeing the Psych doctor helped somewhat because she reassured him that he is living a good life and has good parents but he still wasn't like his brothers.
In the meantime I was researching different diets for myself and my wife in hopes to better our own health. Started my wife and I on a plant based diet (not vegetarian) as well as cutting out seed oils (vegetable oils) and sugars. Because I prepare all the meals the kids also got the benefits of a healthier diet. Saw small improvements in his mood to the point that he refused the antidepressants as he didn't see a need. Happened upon a podcast about Just Thrive probiotics and learned that 80%+ of Serotonin is produced in the gut. Started him on probiotics and saw an immediate improvement (within days). He has always had stomach issues since he was an infant so our theory is that his stomach and lack of serotonin was causing these issues. In just a few months time he is a straight A student, made it to the state championship in his individual sport (swimming) for the first time, and has been a normal teen age kid hanging out with his friends at football and basketball games.
Everyone is different but for a low or pretty much no cost solution try a diet change as well as some probiotics. I know it sounds too simple but it worked for us.
The books I read for research were
Deep Nutrition by Dr Shanahan
How not to die by Dr Greger
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:57 am to BluegrassCardinal
We have a family member with bipolar disorder. I am not super familiar with it, but I do know that the bipolar medication is essentially useless if alcohol is mixed. All i can say is, good luck.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:07 am to BluegrassCardinal
Praying for you, your family, and your daughter. There is hope and peace and joy and freedom in Jesus. I pray your daughter meets the Lord Jesus.
One ministry that you may want to consider is His Mansion in NH.
One ministry that you may want to consider is His Mansion in NH.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:09 am to BluegrassCardinal
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A friend told me after Mass yesterday that this might be what I’m called to do-support and love our daughter through this. I won’t lie, it’s tough. I’ve seen alcohol and substance use destroy my birth family. I feel as if I’ve been fighting this demon my entire life.
I hope your son can recover and find his way.
I know it feels like it will never end. God has a plan for all of us. Don't give up.
Thank you. Hope the same for your daughter.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:13 am to BluegrassCardinal
I have no advice but I can offer you thoughts and prayers. Hang in there brother.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:20 am to bdavids09
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Would you have died if you just stopped cold turkey and not did detox
I got sick from eating something and ended up in Methodist Houston. Here they looked at my bloodwork.
It’s hard to say if I would’ve died but I would’ve had seizures. So I spent a week in the hospital basically detoxing. I went through so many bags of fluid from being dehydrated. It was the first time in over 10 years I stopped drinking for a week.
If I had kept up my pace I wouldn’t have made it to 40
I had to have a bottle near me all the time to kill the shakes. Scary shite. Very scary.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 8:22 am
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:25 am to DavidTheGnome
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We as society have been told numerous times x, y, or z can’t be abused and yet we junkies will find ways to alter our minds.
again, its called the placebo effect... it's easy to saying you are "high" after taking something when you are already searching for and hoping for a "high" by taking something... and you really look at your "evidence", along with the other "studies" that other have posted, pretty much the only people saying they are getting high off buproprion is self-reported drug addicts or inmates, both groups of people desperate to find a "high"...
and all of the key words in your "proof"... it "may be associated" with... "one could argue"... "other studies are needed"... "may suggest"...
however, correlation doesn't prove causation... and i'll absolutley trust scientific drug trial information on a drug that has been around for a very, very long time, over the words of drug addicts (keep in mind, i am a recovering addict myself) and inmates...
bupropion, completely independent of any other psychostimulating chemical, will NOT get you high... period... you can continue to believe so, i'm certainly not changing your mind, and honestly, i don't give a frick... but please stop parading these "well, it sorta maybe, and look these drug addicts said something got them high" *studies* as some sort of proof of something that we in the medical field KNOW for a fact...
at the end of the day. the OP needs to know that his daughter is likely into other pyschostimulants as well, that actually make her high, and the buproprion isn't the actual offending agent... however, if she continues to try to get high from, it could cause seizures, and that's the real concern with high dosages of buproprion...
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:25 am to SuperSaint
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I agree with this. She isn’t an ‘alcoholic’ per se. that vodka bottle was the cl
The concerning part is she’s elevated to vodka before 20 IMO.
I’m a degenerate drinker and I didn’t make that turn until 24-25
Vodka is by far the worst alcohol to get involved with.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:31 am to BluegrassCardinal
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Our 19 yr old daughter is suffering from alcoholism, substance use and mental issues ( bipolar).
1. Your daughter is over the age of 18 and this is the OT. You know the rules.
2. Sucks to hear man. Get her into a rehab and probably would not be a bad idea to take her to an OBGYN and get her an IUD.
3. If your daughter is bipolar that means that either you or her mother is also crazy.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:36 am to BluegrassCardinal
Before you consider a 12 step program please consider readimg "Breaking Addiction: A 7-Step Handbook for Ending Any Addiction" and "The Sober Truth: Debunking the Bad Science Behind 12-Step Programs and the Rehab Industry." by Lamce Dodes.
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It's not only that AA has a 5 to 10 percent success rate; if it was successful and was neutral the rest of the time, we'd say OK. But it's harmful to the 90 percent who don't do well. And it's harmful for several important reasons. One of them is that everyone believes that AA is the right treatment. AA is never wrong, according to AA. If you fail in AA, it's you that's failed.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:37 am to WeeWee
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2. Sucks to hear man. Get her into a rehab and probably would not be a bad idea to take her to an OBGYN and get her an IUD.
Hopefully she’s in an all female rehab so this won’t be such a concern.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:37 am to Cell of Awareness
Read the big book.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:51 am to jizzle6609
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2. Sucks to hear man. Get her into a rehab and probably would not be a bad idea to take her to an OBGYN and get her an IUD.
Hopefully she’s in an all female rehab so this won’t be such a concern.
Who is talking about rehab? Do you think her problems will disappear after rehab? Based on my experience working with psych patients if she is bipolar and snorting Wellbutrin then there is a very high chance that she is extremely sexually active. OP I am sure it sucks to hear that as a father but as a medical professional I am advising you to get her an IUD and it would not be a bad idea to talk to her doctor about getting her on PREP for HIV. Bipolar and substance abuse puts her at high risk for contracting HIV.
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