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re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:26 am to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:26 am to Sneaky__Sally
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This area is a lot more difficult and nuanced than the type my thread was about - which was more along the lines of clearly a person would be dying soon and so they choose to end on their own terms instead of having months in pain, not enjoying life, burning through their entire life savings on in home hospice that a person may have liked to give to their children if possible, etc.
My gut and the purely reasonable and logical part of my mind says that yes, any person should be allowed to make that decision but as a society we need to protect that person from rash, short decisions that result in a suicide by someone who may not have made the decision if they were able to get through a period of struggle.
I think you should do something where you sort of classify it and have different benchmarks for each:
(A) is people who have a terminal, painful illness and just don't want the pain of the final months, etc. - and this benchmark is essentially just them being of sound enough mind to understand and make the decision to end it.
(B) would be people who have a painful illness that really hurts quality of life but isn't terminal. I find it difficult to think of what sort of benchmarks they should have, I think one of those should be time, almost like a waiting period while seeing a psychologist or whatever. Honestly, I think someone in this situation should have this option, it makes sense to me but i am still very hesitant on how to make it work correctly though.
And since we went there we also technically should think about
(C) someone simply suffering some mental type ailments, PTSD, past trauma, etc. To me, a person suffering from long term, crippling depression or whatever where they have very few good days and just don't want to go on should have that option theoretically. This is the one that i don't see how we could craft appropriate checks and all to make it viable, but theoretically, I believe a person should have that option to just move on and see what is out there after this life if they so choose.
Sally I agree that it's a difficult topic to talk about but it's one that we as a Nation need to have a conversation about. I think if there's one area where the U.S. truly does fail it's in Mental Health, End of Life care and Death with Dignity.
I agree that for it to work you would need to clarify certain conditions that would automatically qualify for Death with Dignity. Stuff like Cancer, Tumors, ALS, Coronary Artery Disease, Parkinson's etc. Diseases that guarantee death and would lead the person to be in pain the last few months of their life. This should be automatic approval of Death with Dignity, no questions.
The other option, like you mentioned, would be diseases that aren't terminal but that hurt qualify of life. That is the group I would put myself into. I think what would need to happen in this group is that you would need at least 3 doctors to sign off that your condition significantly affects your quality of life and that there is no new technology or treatments coming along in the next 5 years that would significantly improve your condition. If not 3 doctors then at least 2 doctors, say your Primary Care Physician and then a Specialist that covers your disease.
As for Mental Health that is significantly more difficult as I think the person should have to approve that they are of sound mind. In the first two groups there wouldn't be much debate that the person is in sound mind and judgement. But I do agree with you that if someone has crippling PTSD, Depression, Anxiety, Trauma, etc. that Death with Dignity should be available to them. The question would be how do you determine that the person is legally competent to make the decision?
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:29 am to Sidicous
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Next consider the nurses sister suffering terminal bone cancer that because of the nurse sister is not allowed to to be admitted to hospice and instead is subjected to literally every effort to continue her pain filled days awaiting death. Pain 24/7 like almost none of us can imagine and is prolonged by at least 6 months when the sufferer merely wants the pain to stop. Only death can relieve the pain not a chemical known to mankind can.
What do you mean the sister can't be admitted to hospice because of the nurse? legitimately curious about whatever fricked up rule makes that a thing and this situation is why I am 1000% behind death with dignity laws (If she would like to choose that path)
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:30 am to Saints83
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Should society accept that a lot of people who commit suicide do it not out of selfishness or due to Mental Health Issues but simply to end the pain they suffer from due to Medical Issues?
No, because it is selfish. You yourself admitted such.
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To emphasize, I am not suicidal, I would never do that to my parents.
You wouldnt do that to them because it is selfish and it would hurt them. So Im not sure why you even started this thread other than attention whoring.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:30 am to Saints83
You have to fix your programming dude.
There's a lot of people with medical issues, many times worse than yours. If you believe that your best days are behind you, then that's going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have to at least try to improve your self-talk or else you are certain to have a crappy future.
The only truth that your mind will accept is the one that you provide for it.
I do believe that you are suffering, but as I said, a lot of people are dealt a bad hand. Somebody always has it worse though. Are you going to do everything in your power to live the best life you can or just say "poor me?" Go see a psychiatrist pronto.
There's a lot of people with medical issues, many times worse than yours. If you believe that your best days are behind you, then that's going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have to at least try to improve your self-talk or else you are certain to have a crappy future.
The only truth that your mind will accept is the one that you provide for it.
I do believe that you are suffering, but as I said, a lot of people are dealt a bad hand. Somebody always has it worse though. Are you going to do everything in your power to live the best life you can or just say "poor me?" Go see a psychiatrist pronto.
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 11:35 am
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:30 am to tiggerthetooth
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It's called a panic attack which is triggered by the mental disorder known as "anxiety ".
And the fact that my Asthma acted up? I at least give my doctor credit for giving me the 0.25mg Xanax but I feel like I need a heavier dose to truly have any chance of being comfortable flying again.
You all are making fun of me but not even trying to give me any real solutions. Heck if any of you all were doctors I would gladly pay for a nice weekend trip somewhere if you would just observe me flying to/from somewhere and give me a medical diagnoses. Sadly I can't get any of my doctors to agree to it.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:31 am to Saints83
Dude, if you are considering suicide for those medical problems, your problem isn’t physical. It’s definitely mental and you really should get some help. Lots of people live productive happy lives with those problems, and so can you. Please get some help.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:31 am to LSURussian
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You're considering suicide as your best long-term option because you have high blood pressure and your butt hurts?!?
dont forget, he cant fly on airplanes....
Honestly its just debilitating.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:31 am to Goldrush25
quote:people have been telling him this for years and he's still starting this thread. He's not actually here for advice.
Go see a psychiatrist pronto.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:34 am to Goldrush25
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Go see a psychiatrist pronto.
Unfortunately I can't. Due to our messed up health care system in this country my medical insurance was tied to my employer who laid me and a few thousand other people off in October. I'm still on their insurance but only until the end of the year, then I'm completely uninsured.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:34 am to Saints83
You really talking about suicide because of hemorrhoids and allergies?
To think your ancestors braved death and starvation only to end up culminating in you.
To think your ancestors braved death and starvation only to end up culminating in you.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:34 am to Saints83
Unless you have a terminal illness I’d say you need some help. Someone at 37 should t even be thinking about suicide.
Now I am 100% supportive of assisted suicide as long as the person has some sort of terminal illness or is confined to a nursing home or something for the rest of their life and choose they are ready to check out.
Now I am 100% supportive of assisted suicide as long as the person has some sort of terminal illness or is confined to a nursing home or something for the rest of their life and choose they are ready to check out.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:35 am to Saints83
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Obviously suicide is illegal
What’s the punishment for someone who commits suicide? They’re already dead
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:35 am to Saints83
quote:What was your excuse prior to COVID when you received this same advice on multiple occasions? I've even linked the threads but here they are again so you can review them for the advice you're no doubt seeking sincerely:
Unfortunately I can't. Due to our messed up health care system in this country my medical insurance was tied to my employer who laid me and a few thousand other people off in October.
LINK
LINK
And why do you keep creating new user names to ask the same thing?
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 11:42 am
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:35 am to Saints83
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Unfortunately I can't. Due to our messed up health care system in this country my medical insurance was tied to my employer who laid me and a few thousand other people off in October. I'm still on their insurance but only until the end of the year, then I'm completely uninsured.
May I please suggest a good book to you? There has been research that this book helps just as much as SSRIs and SNRIs.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:36 am to Saints83
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Due to our messed up health care system in this country my medical insurance was tied to my employer
Yea, screw getting discounted rates for health insurance
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I'm still on their insurance but only until the end of the year,
so why cant you go see one before the end of the year....?
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 11:36 am
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:36 am to beerJeep
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What’s the punishment for someone who commits suicide?
Necromancy.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:37 am to Saints83
Your ancestors suffered through worse but somehow ended up with you as a descendant.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:37 am to Saints83
High blood pressure, hemorrhoids and asthma are not medical issues that warrant ending your life.
That topic is slated towards cancer and terminal illnesses. Not taking an uncomfortable shite
That topic is slated towards cancer and terminal illnesses. Not taking an uncomfortable shite
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:37 am to Saints83
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Unfortunately I can't.
Join a support group online then. I'm certain that there are online support groups for your medical issues. Look for solutions.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:39 am to diat150
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Unless you have a terminal illness I’d say you need some help. Someone at 37 should t even be thinking about suicide.
Now I am 100% supportive of assisted suicide as long as the person has some sort of terminal illness or is confined to a nursing home or something for the rest of their life and choose they are ready to check out.
What happened to my body, my rights? In your opinion why should someone have to have a terminal illness to end their own life?
You're right, no one at 37 should be considering suicide. My life should be just started but I feel like its ending because I know my health will only get worse as I get older. Sadly I'll admit I think about suicide in some form almost every day. I just blame it on bad genetics.
Again I would never do it as long as my mom is alive (me, my sister and her nieces are all she has and she would be inconsolable without me) but is it so wrong to feel like you've been dealt a bad hand? Very few people in their 30s deal with these issues. Find me another person in their 30s who's body seems to want to reject flying?
I believe in reincarnation and my big hope is that in the next life karma will help me out and I'll get a really good body. If only we could find a way to transfer consciousness from a defective body to a healthy body. That would truly be the most amazing achievement in the history of mankind.
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