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re: Gas vs hybrid
Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:43 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:43 pm to fr33manator
I agree that Hyundai and Kia have made giant leaps in quality and reliability and you do get a lot of bang for your buck, but I personally would prefer a Honda or a Toyota. Which is why I also understand your preference may be different.
I don’t recall Honda having any problems with their drivetrains in the hybrid vehicles so the CVT in the civic the OP is talking about wouldn’t scare me.
There was a short time where I was up for a job with the same company but I’d lose my company truck and I was even considering an F150 with the powerboost drivetrain.
I don’t recall Honda having any problems with their drivetrains in the hybrid vehicles so the CVT in the civic the OP is talking about wouldn’t scare me.
There was a short time where I was up for a job with the same company but I’d lose my company truck and I was even considering an F150 with the powerboost drivetrain.
This post was edited on 3/6/26 at 8:45 pm
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Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:52 pm to Joshjrn
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I think that was a combo of government frickery combined with EVs being really, really easy to design and manufacture. The car companies couldn’t resist.
Yea the gov had a big part in it too, spot on.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:52 pm to RobertFootball
Couple of points OP:
- You said you are middle aged. The Civic is a pretty low car. As you age, you are going to quickly get tired of getting in and out of it. Or more accurately, your knees will. The Mazda 3 is has a bit higher seating position, but the SUV equivalent, the Cx-5, has an even higher seating position.
- Do NOT get all worked up over "It has a CVT". If it has a BELT CVT, then there is some mild cause for concern. Most hybrids are NOT belt CVTs. They use a simple geared planetary set that splits and sums power from three legs (two electric machines and the IC engine) to emulate CVT behavior. That style of transmission is the mechanically simplest option available on the market today and should be of no concern to you. Of course some people don't like the CVT feel, and that is a personal preference.
- If you go a bit larger with Mazda, the Cx-50 is available with the Toyota RAV4 hybrid powertrain without having to pay the "Toyota Tax", and a nicer interior. The Cx-5 OTOH, just got a major refresh so you might be able to find a new '25 or lightly used '25 for a relative bargain. No hybrid yet for the Cx-5.
- Your fear of turbos is irrational, but all too common. There are plenty of people in the Ford Edge community with over 200k miles on the TT V6 Edge, and quite a few in that range with the "bad" turbo I4. Even more high mileage examples of Mazda 2.5Ts are out there because they use them in everything. Change your oil on or ahead of schedule, use the weight recommended by the OEM.
- You said you are middle aged. The Civic is a pretty low car. As you age, you are going to quickly get tired of getting in and out of it. Or more accurately, your knees will. The Mazda 3 is has a bit higher seating position, but the SUV equivalent, the Cx-5, has an even higher seating position.
- Do NOT get all worked up over "It has a CVT". If it has a BELT CVT, then there is some mild cause for concern. Most hybrids are NOT belt CVTs. They use a simple geared planetary set that splits and sums power from three legs (two electric machines and the IC engine) to emulate CVT behavior. That style of transmission is the mechanically simplest option available on the market today and should be of no concern to you. Of course some people don't like the CVT feel, and that is a personal preference.
- If you go a bit larger with Mazda, the Cx-50 is available with the Toyota RAV4 hybrid powertrain without having to pay the "Toyota Tax", and a nicer interior. The Cx-5 OTOH, just got a major refresh so you might be able to find a new '25 or lightly used '25 for a relative bargain. No hybrid yet for the Cx-5.
- Your fear of turbos is irrational, but all too common. There are plenty of people in the Ford Edge community with over 200k miles on the TT V6 Edge, and quite a few in that range with the "bad" turbo I4. Even more high mileage examples of Mazda 2.5Ts are out there because they use them in everything. Change your oil on or ahead of schedule, use the weight recommended by the OEM.
This post was edited on 3/6/26 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:01 pm to SallysHuman
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Y U yellin?
to feel something
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:08 pm to Them
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to feel something
FAIR ENOUGH
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:41 pm to RobertFootball
Have about 65,000 miles on my first hybrid and will never go back to ICE only. 
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:46 pm to TTB
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What kind of crack are you smoking? I’ve owned three Hondas and never had a problem with any of them. They will last forever if you take care of them
Traditionally not quite up there with Toyota, quality wise, but a lot easier on the eyes and more fun to drive. I'm not sure anyone makes better motors, either.
My problem now is it's all CVTs and turbocharging with them.
I'd probably go with a Toyota Hybrid. It'll be a little uglier.. But a little more reliable.
I'd kill for an Accord with a 6 speed and a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. They don't make what I want anymore.
The 6 speed Mazda 6 I have now came the closest.
This post was edited on 3/6/26 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 3/9/26 at 7:36 pm to RobertFootball
I decided to get a 2026 Honda Civic Sport gas. I played around on my insurance app typing in various cars vin numbers and seeing how much my insurance would go up. That ended my curiosity with hybrids real quick….extra $88 PER MONTH for a hybrid. No thanks. I also had a deal almost locked up on a Civic at another dealership but they wanted to play games at the end hiding $900 and when I tried pointing out their sheet with their out the door price breakdown and even did the math right in front of them it always came up different and I don’t know if they tried to add in some bs charge somewhere or what but I just got up and walked out. Ended up with the same car for $1500 less so it all worked out in the end. Oh and they’re going to deliver it to me, we did the entire deal over the phone and through email and text, no funny business and the math was the math.
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 3/9/26 at 9:10 pm to RobertFootball
Hybrids are rarely worth the additional costs.
They have a pseudo-cool factor that some people fall for, but why not just buy more HP and very nearly the same MPG.
They have a pseudo-cool factor that some people fall for, but why not just buy more HP and very nearly the same MPG.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 10:26 pm to N2cars
The other thing that swayed me away from hybrids is S.C. is about to pass a law that taxes the crap out of them and EV’s to makeup for lost gas tax revenue. Between the extra insurance cost and the extra taxes the gas mileage difference was a wash mathematically.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 10:44 pm to RobertFootball
I ended up with a Toyota hybrid when I got something new because it was the only way to get the model I wanted. I’ve been pretty happy with it so far. It doesn’t get any better fuel mileage but it’s fast AF for a heavy off-road SUV. The throttle response is great and I like when it kicks in electric only mode when I’m cruising around hunting pigs.
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