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re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in bars
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:50 am to t00f
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:50 am to t00f
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Just bringing up the bigger issue which is it's not all about the patrons but people that have to work there. Prior the the smoking ban in NO a lot of those bars the musicians went into were pretty bad.
And? I don't smoke and I've worked in a smoking bar before. I made that choice, no one else did.
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:51 am to wildtigercat93
RIP Green Room
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:51 am to wildtigercat93
quote:Because someone else's choice is harming others. You don't have a right to do what you want if it harms others.
But it's legal and those people are of age, so clearly the government has no problem with smoking. Why does that change in a bar?
quote:It's related in that dangerous behavior that threatens others - independent of any other circumstance - is not guaranteed as a right or a privilege. I don't care if a person is old enough to smoke, they shouldn't be allowed to infect others with their toxic behavior. I also don't care if a person is a safe driver, they cannot be allowed to drive recklessly among other citizens.
These comparasions just keep getting weirder and weirder to stretch an argument that doesn't have any legs literally wtf are you even talking about? Is someone's second hand smoke going to blow into you on interstate?
It's simple, really.
What you see as a right, I see as selfishly engaging in dangerous behavior, and I'm thankful it isn't here to stay.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:52 am to wildtigercat93
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It's not like if you go into a smoking bar and someone lights up that you'll contract polio, you'll simply just choose to leave.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:52 am to t00f
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Just bringing up the bigger issue which is it's not all about the patrons but people that have to work there
The solution in a lot of places is smoking and non smoking areas with ventilation areas, and employee choice of which side to work.
Our city outlawed smoking years ago and it's led to ugly street scenes with dozens of people loitering around the openings, spilling into city streets and smoking.
We'll have to revisit again when pot cafes become legal. I imagine they'll outlaw smoking there and only allow edibles which would suck.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We'll have to revisit again when pot cafes become legal. I imagine they'll outlaw smoking there and only allow edibles which would suck.
You smoke the pots, Rog?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:54 am to bconne1
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It's simple, really.
It is.
That's been the whole argument.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:55 am to upgrayedd
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You smoke the pots, Rog?
Nope. Probably will when I retire but don't do it now.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:55 am to bconne1
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Because someone else's choice is harming others. You don't have a right to do what you want if it harms others.
everyone in that bar has chosen to take that same risk. You have a choice to not be there. No one is forcing smoke on you.
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It's related in that dangerous behavior that threatens others - independent of any other circumstance - is not guaranteed as a right or a privilege. I don't care if a person is old enough to smoke, they shouldn't be allowed to infect others with their toxic behavior. I also don't care if a person is a safe driver, they cannot be allowed to drive recklessly among other citizens.
Like I stated before, in today's world it is not viable to avoid roads and driving. However it is extremely easy to avoid smoking bars. You are no comparing the same thing.
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What you see as a right, I see as selfishly engaging in dangerous behavior, and I'm thankful it isn't here to stay.
Again you confuse yourself. YOU see it as a right. I do not see smoking as a right. I see choice as a right. a private buisness should be able to choose if they allow it and customers should be able to choose if they want to be there
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:56 am to bconne1
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What you see as a right, I see as selfishly engaging in dangerous behavior, and I'm thankful it isn't here to stay.
People lied about second hand smoke. It's 100% reversible and you suffer no long term damage.
LINK
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Dr. Michael Siegel, a leading advocate of bans on smoking in the workplace because of the harm from daily exposure to secondhand smoke, says the 20 or 30 minute claims are ridiculous.
"If someone is just exposed for 30 minutes, it's completely reversible, and it's not gonna cause hardening of the arteries," Siegel said.
Siegel, who helped ban smoking in restaurants and bars, now says his movement is distorting science.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:57 am to wildtigercat93
I have no problem agreeing to disagree.
Especially since, as I said, it is the growing trend across the country. It's a lot more comfortable being on the winning side of the battlefield.
Especially since, as I said, it is the growing trend across the country. It's a lot more comfortable being on the winning side of the battlefield.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:59 am to bconne1
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Especially since, as I said, it is the growing trend across the country. It's a lot more comfortable being on the winning side of the battlefield.
As I've said from my first post, eventually 90 percent of bars will find it financially nessesary to ban smoking as smoking rates go down. So why the pointless regulation? Why not allow a niche market? All it does it harm business and the economy.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:00 pm to wildtigercat93
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And? I don't smoke and I've worked in a smoking bar before. I made that choice, no one else did.
I am not sure any new points are coming up on this so we will just not agree.
Enjoy Cooks btw. Look forward to seeing what he does in the new uniform.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:02 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:So we're worried about harm done to a business but not harm done to people. Gotcha.
As I've said from my first post, eventually 90 percent of bars will find it financially nessesary to ban smoking as smoking rates go down. So why the pointless regulation? Why not allow a niche market? All it does it harm business and the economy.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:03 pm to wildtigercat93
Where is this constitutionally protected "right" to smoke in bars?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:04 pm to bconne1
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So we're worried about harm done to a business but not harm done to people. Gotcha.
Harm to businesses is harmful to people.
And again no one is forcing you to go into smoking bars. There are PLENTY of non smoking bars. Anyone in a smoking bar has made the CHOICE to be in that bar and all the risks that come with it. Why is that such a travesty to you?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:04 pm to bconne1
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but not harm done to people. Gotcha.
A progressives dream. Ohhh..someone is getting harmed, lets regulate!!!!!
Anyone who thinks they are being severely harmed by a few minutes of second hand smoke is a fricking idiot of they choose to participate.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:05 pm to NIH
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Where is this constitutionally protected "right" to smoke in bars?
Find my post where I said anyone has a right to smoke. I've said quite the opposite.
Find me where it says it's unconstitutional for a bar to allow smoking.
I'm arguing for freedom of choice, not freedom for smoking. Keep up buttercup.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:06 pm to wildtigercat93
This "freedom of choice" negatively affects other people, and I'm not even talking health wise. And good luck finding non smoking bars in small towns in South Louisiana.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:07 pm to NIH
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This "freedom of choice" negatively affects other people, and I'm not even talking health wise
Those people choose to be in that bar
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And good luck finding non smoking bars in small towns in South Louisiana.
Sounds like a great buisness opportunity to fill in a market gap. You got any startup money?
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