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re: Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark...
Posted on 7/16/25 at 2:20 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 7/16/25 at 2:20 pm to SallysHuman
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Well, whether people read it or not, it's there
So are other religious texts.
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 2:24 pm to bayoubengals88
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That's ok man. But the evidence abounds.
Is that why when I went to places like India, the UAE, and China that I felt like I was back in the Bible Belt?
Because everyone is so convinced by the evidence?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 2:26 pm to Globetrotter747
You say that many have claimed to be messiahs, but the only one that anyone can name is Jesus, and 3 billion people claim him as their own.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 2:28 pm to Globetrotter747
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So are other religious texts.
We're discussing the veracity of Bible stories... I'm game to talk about other texts and your take on them. I feel like you're 'well, but'ing everything though.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 2:43 pm to Globetrotter747
And btw, when I said great evasion, I was talking about how you skipped this comment, but hey, maybe it doesn't describe your thinking:
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If you buy into scientific materialism than you can't trust your own reason, for there’s no guarantee that your random, deterministic brain chemistry aligns with or enables you to know, what is and what is not true. You'll always be chasing your tail given the lack of a center.
At least those entrenched in dogma have a leg to stand on.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:02 pm to bayoubengals88
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You say that many have claimed to be messiahs, but the only one that anyone can name is Jesus, and 3 billion people claim him as their own.
Christianity has about 2.4 billion adherents. Islam has about 1.8 billion and is expected to pass Christianity within 50 years.
Does this give credibility to Muhammad as a prophet of God?
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We're discussing the veracity of Bible stories
There’s not really any “veracity” to talk about. Heck, people in the Holy Land aren’t sure if Jesus was entombed in what is now the Church of the Holy Sepulchre or the Garden Tomb. The Cenacle at Mt. Zion is touted as the location of the Last Supper and the building isn’t even old enough. They treat it like it is, though. “David’s Tomb” (also at Zion) isn’t really the Tomb of David.
There’s so much BS in that region.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:06 pm to Globetrotter747
quote:No. Islam doesn't have a messiah figure. The good news of Islam is no different than the way humaniy operates on a daily basis, which is no good news at all.
Does this give credibility to Muhammad as a prophet of God?
The premise of earning salvation is fundamentally flawed. It's nothing unique, nor is it remotely ambitious. It's how we want reality to be. We're constantly score keeping. It's miserable.
But, Jesus, being God, was far more clever. He said, I've done the work for you. Rest in me. Ahh, sweet relief. Can you feel it?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You disagree with freedom?
Freedom? Your view of freedom is an inordinate amount of crushing bureaucracy…..you are just as much of a sucker as those you enjoy posturing to
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:10 pm to bayoubengals88
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And btw, when I said great evasion, I was talking about how you skipped this comment, but hey, maybe it doesn't describe your thinking:
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If you buy into scientific materialism than you can't trust your own reason, for there’s no guarantee that your random, deterministic brain chemistry aligns with or enables you to know, what is and what is not true. You'll always be chasing your tail given the lack of a center. At least those entrenched in dogma have a leg to stand on.
I guess the answer to everything is in the contradictory scribblings of Bronze Age wanderers who knew very little about the natural world.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:17 pm to Globetrotter747
quote:There is no better canon that explores the human condition better than the canon of Scripture. You can quip all you want, but you'd have quite the time debunking that claim.
I guess the answer to everything is in the contradictory scribblings of Bronze Age wanderers who knew very little about the natural world.
Also, again, you have no basis for trusting your own thoughts.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:45 pm to bayoubengals88
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I just see that as using what's familiar to make a point. Everyone he spoke to would have grown up knowing such a story.
Jesus told us Noah was real. Yet instead of believing him, people come up with reasons not to. But Jesus does not and cannot speak falsehood. To suggest he affirmed something untrue goes against everything we know about his character.
Moses told us about Noah. Then Jesus, a man who rose from the dead, confirmed it. Yet we still find ways not to believe. How true his words to the rich man ring: “If they do not believe Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.”
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:52 pm to PaperTiger
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It had to be explained so that he could understand it So technically both can be right.
Well yeah but the hardcore Protestant sects missed the memo. They take it literally homie.
They stubbed their toe this morning because THE LORD wanted it to happen (for some reason).
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:55 pm to cssamerican
quote:He used Noah as an illustration. What am I missing.
Jesus told us Noah was real.
Also, did I ever deny that a man named Noah existed? I don't believe that I did.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:57 pm to jcaz
quote:The main literary/hermeneutical influence of the Protestant fundamentalists are atheists. That's why they take it literally. It's quite the irony.
Well yeah but the hardcore Protestant sects missed the memo. They take it literally homie.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 4:01 pm to bayoubengals88
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No. Islam doesn't have a messiah figure.
1.8 billion people believe he’s a prophet of God. Since all religions have contradictory elements, it’s clearly not necessary for a religion to be true to proliferate through a population.
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The premise of earning salvation is fundamentally flawed
God instead impregnating a woman so he could have a son and let him be killed as a sacrifice to himself to appease himself so he could forgive everyone was definitely the only way to go.
Doesn’t sound at all like an ancient myth.
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Also, again, you have no basis for trusting your own thoughts.
Ironically, I don’t know how a theist who (most likely) adheres to the same religion of their family and/or culture could ever trust their feelings on the subject.
The influence of culture over religion is strong and undeniable but no one thinks that they themselves are deluded - but clearly most are.
Right or wrong, my belief (or lack of belief) is my own and based on quite a bit of travel around the world to see it all for myself.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:52 pm to Globetrotter747
Would love to respond tomorrow.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:54 pm to SallysHuman
quote:Yeah I read the bible, is be you?
Either you haven't at all read the Bible, or you're shamefully illiterate.
Believe in Gandolf- I won't come at you for it... I am assured in my own faith and need not your earthly approval.
Speaking of which, is you be a woman? If so, let me quote you some bible quotes that you'll find worth following.
I Corinthians 11 verse 7-9...7, For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8, For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9, Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
So this take on strong independent women pushed by the woke media goes against Gods word, but let me guess this is another section you gonna pick and choose on what to 'believe' and what to ignore?
Here some more bible verses that modern women need to heed:
I Corinthians chapter 14.....34, Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35, And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
So God saying women should only be educated by their husbands at home, so really they shouldn't be getting educated at school. Now this is the word of God. Also women should never hold any position in the church let alone to try and be a preacher, for God has done been spoken.
Here some more word of God on women serving your husband. Ephesians chapter 5......22, Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23, For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24, Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
So SallysHuman, if you is be a woman or is be identify as a woman, hope you literate enough to understand that you are to serve your husband in everything. Or not to be educated by anyone other than your husband in your home or damn sure not ever try to speak in church as well. For this is the word of God.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:01 pm to SallysHuman
quote:Wrong. Your religion is based upon several ages of straight up family incest and funny how you try to rationalize that the incest was ok and even preferred.
I do not pick and choose... I believe all of it.
And an even more retarded take is you saying that every animal came to Noah to load they selves up on the ark with all the food items they will be needing to survive the 40 day soaking. So these animals back in those incest times, they all had some apple phones and gps to find this supposed ghetto arse wooden boat? We can't even document all the animals on earth today, but this Noah character just got to see everyone for this little boat ride? And how did Noah and his family not have a bunch of incest breeding to repopulate the earth? Or did Noah round up 8 peoples of every race? Oh my bad, did the 8 people of every race just use GPS to locate Noah to load up on his ghetto boat for the great soaking? This shite you be believing in is so preposterous that even returded children wouldn't ever believe this mumbo jumbo.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:06 pm to speedybaw
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but let me guess this is another section you gonna pick and choose on what to 'believe' and what to ignore?
You'd be wrong. I have a Biblical view of marriage and my role in it.
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so really they shouldn't be getting educated at school.
School? That's not what it says... it says in church.
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Also women should never hold any position in the church let alone to try and be a preacher, for God has done been spoken.
The Bible does not say women can't have positions in church... it says they can't be in positions over men or teaching men. With this- I agree.
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So SallysHuman, if you is be a woman or is be identify as a woman, hope you literate enough to understand that you are to serve your husband in everything.
I do serve my husband. As I said, I believe in the Biblical instruction in marriage- I have no problems with my role.
Why are you so... angsty?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:09 pm to speedybaw
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speedybaw
You are angry, unhinged and disrespectful as all get out. It is obvious you aren't looking for discussion but to attack people who believe differently than you.
So... bye!
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