Not ATC nor pilot, but using visual ID at night, that may or may not be correct, seems like the kind of thing that would lead to exactly this disaster.

In the video they all just look like lights.

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Posted by JasonDBlaha

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Posted on 1/28/26 at 9:47 am to RollTide1987

This story is absolutely infuriating on so many levels

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Posted by molsusports

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Posted on 1/28/26 at 9:49 am to jizzle6609

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Women should not be anywhere near the front or in a combat or combat support role that involves others putting their lives in her hands. Eos.

Disagree

But, they have to pass the same standards for safety to qualify. You don't get to be a special case based on sex, race, or any other characteristics other than whether you can fly, or shoot, or whatever the actual job demands.

You deserve an opportunity to compete or apply but don't deserve a job so the demographic percentages look equitable

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Posted by JohnnyKilroy

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Posted on 1/28/26 at 10:36 am to m57

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My opinion is that PAT had the aircraft on final for RWY 1 in sight the entire time and never in fact saw JIA.

To me this seemed obvious immediately after the wreck. ATC was telling them to wait for Plane A, while the helo was looking at Plane B and never realized Plane A existed.

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Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt

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Posted on 1/28/26 at 11:06 am to molsusports

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Disagree

But, they have to pass the same standards for safety to qualify.

I don't agree. Even if they can out-perform the standards, there are still biological issues. They have more hygiene needs than men, and men can't get pregnant.

On a less technical wavelength, there's a serious emotional component involved. For most men, women in distress triggers a different response than men in distress does. Women fighting / struggling / dying just feels wrong for most of us.

Why any of them would ever want to be in combat I'll never understand. It's an honorable thought on the surface, but having women in a "normal" combat unit is not going to make it more combat effective than an all male unit. At best, absolute best, it will be as effective as the all male unit. At worst, the coed unit is going to be abysmally worse. They certainly must fill many roles critical to the bigger objective of winning the war. Actively trying to kill the enemy is not the right role for women. It's not a knock against them and I don't understand why it's perceived to be one. There are things men are better at and things women are better at. Killing people and blowing things up is squarely in the men's column.

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