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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:05 pm to crazyLSUfan
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:05 pm to crazyLSUfan
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I've not followed this story closely at all, so please have mercy if this has already been discussed or eliminated as a possibility:
Shut it noob
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Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:06 pm to fightingtigers98
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this has probably been brought up, but could cabin pressure have failed and the pilots were left unconscious?
Had that happened the plane would've flown itself for quite awhile longer. It would probably have been reported on while the plane was still airborne actually.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:06 pm to redstick13
For the people saying there's no way they could lose them on radar. You have to remember, the people operating te radar are looking at thousands of radar contacts and they are not observing every single one constantly. The crash could have happened instantly and no one noticed.
About the lost radio comms, I can't explain that, I've flown in that area many times and we've had comms the entire time. I'm not 100% sure what radios they use but something must have happened where they lost them.
My theory: they could have lost cabin pressure and the pilots became hypoxic, therefore not able to call out to anyone or fly the plane for that matter. Hypoxia can sneak up in you before you know it and it would've been too late for oxygen. I think the plane probably crashed and then sank. There is most likely debris out there but that will be extremely hard to find given how big the South China Sea is.
About the lost radio comms, I can't explain that, I've flown in that area many times and we've had comms the entire time. I'm not 100% sure what radios they use but something must have happened where they lost them.
My theory: they could have lost cabin pressure and the pilots became hypoxic, therefore not able to call out to anyone or fly the plane for that matter. Hypoxia can sneak up in you before you know it and it would've been too late for oxygen. I think the plane probably crashed and then sank. There is most likely debris out there but that will be extremely hard to find given how big the South China Sea is.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:08 pm to JAXTiger16
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they could have lost cabin pressure and the pilots became hypoxic,
Wouldn't the autopilot have continued to fly the plane?
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:12 pm to redstick13
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Wouldn't the autopilot have continued to fly the plane?
Loss of cabin pressure can cause the aircraft to lose its integrity. If it happened suddenly, it could've knocked the entire crew and passengers unconscious and caused the equipment to fail, especially being at 38k, it's pretty cold up there also.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:18 pm to JAXTiger16
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Loss of cabin pressure can cause the aircraft to lose its integrity. If it happened suddenly, it could've knocked the entire crew and passengers unconscious and caused the equipment to fail, especially being at 38k, it's pretty cold up there also.
I'm thinking this may have been a failed hijacking attempt, and maybe the squawk code was turned off.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:21 pm to JAXTiger16
quote:Yes, but then wouldn't they have been able to replay (so to speak) the radar, to see where they lost contact with the plane?
For the people saying there's no way they could lose them on radar. You have to remember, the people operating te radar are looking at thousands of radar contacts and they are not observing every single one constantly. The crash could have happened instantly and no one noticed.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:38 pm to JAXTiger16
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For the people saying there's no way they could lose them on radar. You have to remember, the people operating te radar are looking at thousands of radar contacts and they are not observing every single one constantly. The crash could have happened instantly and no one noticed.
The secondary system of contact, the transponder, has several modes, one of which is altitude. It's most likely possible to miss a planes sudden decent from cruising altitude, but lack of signal and lack of radio contact is suspicious.
Transponders can be turned off as well which would make an airplane in remote air space "disappear" from the monitor.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:41 pm to Patrick_Bateman
This wasn't caused by loss of cabin air pressure. I remember when the jet Payne Stewart was on lost air pressure. All on board died and that plane continued on autopilot for a long time till it ran out of fuel and crashed.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:44 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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Yes, but then wouldn't they have been able to replay (so to speak) the radar, to see where they lost contact with the plane?
They could replay it if they were recording it, and I doubt they record it.
And yes they could've been detected by their IFF, which every civilian aircraft is required to squawk but if it was sudden loss of cabin pressure, then all the systems could be toast. Which means everything they were transmitting comes to immediately stops.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:46 pm to Nawlens Gator
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This wasn't caused by loss of cabin air pressure. I remember when the jet Payne Stewart was on lost air pressure. All on board died and that plane continued on autopilot for a long time till it ran out of fuel and crashed.
I tend to side with this thought process.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:50 pm to Nawlens Gator
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This wasn't caused by loss of cabin air pressure. I remember when the jet Payne Stewart was on lost air pressure. All on board died and that plane continued on autopilot for a long time till it ran out of fuel and crashed.
If the loss of pressure is extreme enough, it can break apart the plane. I'm not saying this happened, but it's very possible.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:51 pm to redstick13
Wow they had a really large search area.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:56 pm to redstick13
Loss of cabin air pressure will not cause the plane to break up. The pressure DIFFERENCE between the inside and outside pressure would actually decrease as the inside pressure equalizes with the outside pressure.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:56 pm to redstick13
Double Post.
This post was edited on 3/9/14 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 3/9/14 at 12:59 pm to JAXTiger16
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If the loss of pressure is extreme enough, it can break apart the plane. I'm not saying this happened, but it's very possible.
It's possible but it usually takes something catastrophic to break apart a plane. There have been bombs and stress cracks that have caused the plane to lose pressure and landed safely.
This plane lost a significant part of the structure at 23,000 feet and landed
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Posted on 3/9/14 at 1:02 pm to Nawlens Gator
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Loss of cabin air pressure will not cause the plane to break up. The pressure DIFFERENCE between the inside and outside pressure would actually decrease as the inside pressure equalizes with the outside pressure.
I know nothing of airplane design, but this thought seems extremely ill thought.
When you get a pinhole in a ballon the ballon can often times catastrophically degrade. Same concept right?
Posted on 3/9/14 at 1:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This plane lost a significant part of the structure at 23,000 feet and landed
I remember they made a three hour movie off a thirteen minute flight.
ETA: the alternate explanation of what happened is a cool hypothesis. Sounds along the lines of what JAX was laying out.
This post was edited on 3/9/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/9/14 at 1:10 pm to Nawlens Gator
I'm thinking this was a catastrophic mid air breakup.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 1:11 pm to fightin tigers
I'm very curious to what the "experts" are gonna say, I'm sure there will be mixed reviews of what really happened.
I'm no aircraft designer, but I have 700 hours in a P-3C and over 400 in a P-8A (737), so I know a few things about the structure and quite a bit about the effects of pressure loss. I hope it never happens to me and I feel for the families that will be left wondering.
I'm no aircraft designer, but I have 700 hours in a P-3C and over 400 in a P-8A (737), so I know a few things about the structure and quite a bit about the effects of pressure loss. I hope it never happens to me and I feel for the families that will be left wondering.
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