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Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:01 pm to
Posted by Jarlaxle
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:01 pm to
ZERO

Bread, rice, pasta,

Zero man made oils

Zero high fructose corn syrup

There are 3 sources of dietary nutrition. Fat, Protein and Carbohydrates.

The body can live on 2 out of the 3. Figure it out.

Consume less than 100 grams of carbs a day to begin. Work your way down to 50 a day.

Use bacon fat and butter and coconut oil to cook with.

natural fat doesn't make you fat. so eat that chicken skin and bacon. That is your energy source once you stop eating processed carbs.

Once you get off the sugar train you will not be as hungry.

The whole heart disease thing due to bacon grease has been proved wrong. It the processed oils that agitate the lining of the arteries that cause the build up of cholesterol that leads to blockages.

I was 210 January 2016, im now 175. Loving my 32's instead of 34's.


To each his own, just my story.

Posted by Tingle
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:02 pm to
Eggs and bacon all day
Posted by AZBadgerFan
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Member since May 2013
1858 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:25 pm to
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One of his blocked arteries was very close to what the cardiologists call the widow maker.


A "widow maker" is when the left anterior descending artery (LAD) is 100% or almost completely blocked.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 6:36 pm to
Alright...

I'm sitting her in the cardiac wing of Emory university hospital, reading the eating guidelines the doctors have given my bro in law. Direct word for word:


You need to eat more...

- fresh fruit & veggies. These have many health benefits. Most Americans don't eat enough.

- whole grains, such as whole wheat breads and rolls, brown rice. These are high in fiber and rich in heart benefits and vitamins.

- foods high in unsaturated fat, such as olive oil, nuts, and fish. As long as you eat moderate amounts, this type of fat is good for you and your heart.

- non meat protein, such as beans and soy products. These supply your body with the protein it needs, without the negative aspects of fatty animal meat cuts.

You need to eat less...

- high fat animal products, such as red meat, butter, whole milk, dairy products, and cream based sauces. These raise bad LDL cholesterol that can damage your heart.

- processed snack foods, frozen foods, and fast food. These often contain trans fat and saturated fat which can damage your heart.

- foods high in salt. This is extra important if you have high blood pressure or heart disease.

- alcohol, if you have high blood pressure.

LDL bad cholesterol. When the body has too much LDL, it builds up in artery walls. This can cause a heart attack. LDL should be 100 or lower or 70 or lower if you have heart disease. (As I stated in my previous post, this is what they told my bro in law)

Triglycerides are another type of lipid measured with cholestoral. A high triglyceride can lead to plaque buildup in arteries. Triglyceride level should be 150 or lower.

Hdl is known as good cholestoral. That's because it picks up leftover LDL cholestoral from the arteries, and carries it back to the liver to be used again. HDl should be 40 or higher for men and 50 or higher for women.

Total cholestoral is the combined measure of all types of cholestoral. This number should be less than 200.


That's the overall big picture word for word from the cardiologists at Emory. This place is world renowned and these doctors are young and incredibly smart. We have been very impressed with their knowledge and skill. They basically saved his life when he walked into the ER complaining of intense back pain. They recognized immediately and had nitro and blood thinners pumping in him through IV minutes after he walked in.

Basically everything from their guidelines corroborates every post I've made in this thread.
Posted by Rossberg02
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 6:43 pm to
It's simple as this: eat plants and animals. Sucks and isn't sexy if you've been eating a "normal" American diet.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 6:45 pm to
I still unfortunately have to disagree with them in regards to those nutrition guidelines.

That's the old usda pyramid from 50's that the corn farmers and such had a role in.

Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:06 pm to
Tell me again what you would recommend changing and why?

Not being a smart arse I just can't remember if you've said it before or not. Cell reception is bad in here and loading pages takes a while.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:11 pm to
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Lucky Tiger


Read the info I have linked for you in previous posts, including comments from the Chair of Cardiology at the Cleveland Clinic

The recommendations you posted are based off of 50+ year old data. Data based on flawed observational study (by a researcher named Ancel Keys). His flawed interpretation became dogma. He became very powerful in nutritional world with enough influence to adjust government policy. Dissenters' research were drowned out/poorly funded. Industry sponsored studies enter into the collective scientific literature. Overwhelmed MDs become focused on caring for the increasing number of sicker patients presenting with acute problems leaving little time for personal development in the areas of nutrition/exercise. Instead, they trust that the governmental recs are accurate. Couple that with the fact that most MDs are risk averse. There is little to gain in speaking out against "accepted" recommendations and being labeled a quack.

There is no other simple way to describe how we got to this point other than reading a bunch on the topic (the books Big Fat Suprise and Good Calories/Bad Calories do this)

The recommendations to move away from a traditional fat based diet (and by default increase carb consumption) has led to:

No reduction in the incidence of heart disease
Increase obesity, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, ED/low testosterone
Increased Cancer rates
Increased chronic diseases of Western Civilization




Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

- high fat animal products, such as red meat, butter, whole milk, dairy products, and cream based sauces. These raise bad LDL cholesterol that can damage your heart.


Re-read the diagram /pics I posted in the NMR lipid profile post

Particle size matters more than total LDL

Low HDL predicts risk better (guess what food source raises HDL)
Triglyceride to HDL ratio, waist size (truncal obesity) are important
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 7:20 pm
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69827 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:33 pm to
I know you aren't.

Here is what I believe and what I know without medical evidence or evidence based practice.

Man was meant to be a grazer, he was forced to be a grazer by eating animals and plants in order to survive. Man was meant to be mobile because he had to evade prey and sleep was a way of escaping danger and restoring the body.

Man eventually adapted his dietary habits to what the area had.

It wasn't until the first agricultural revolution where grains were produced. Not everyone consumed grains, this is the period of Ancient Rome Egypt etc. slaves and gladiators are grains and became larger than their owners.

It wasn't until the industrial revolution where bread, sugar, etc became more common to everyday people.

Our body just hasn't evolved to process these things efficiently. Our society has changed so drastically in 200 years that our body still hasn't completely adapted.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

Our society has changed so drastically in 200 years that our body still hasn't completely adapted.


Mismatched..


LINK
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69827 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:05 pm to
Good read
Posted by Jarlaxle
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:20 pm to
LuckyTiger



No where in your list did i see stop eating sugar.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:30 pm to
quote:

No where in your list did i see stop eating sugar.


Emory is in Atlanta...

quote:

The Coca-Cola Foundation has pledged $3 million to Emory University over the next five years to provide scholarships, fellowships, and support for sustainability projects in Atlanta neighborhoods.



quote:

It was yesterday that I learned of a long-standing Emory University tradition. Apparently, unabashedly, and transparently, in part no doubt consequent to the $105 million endowment provided to Emory by a former Coca-Cola CEO, and in part no doubt due to the reported fact that 16% of Emory's $6.3 billion endowment fund is made up of Coca-Cola stock (down from 63% in 1998 and 47% in 2002), all first year Emory University students are brought together as they start school to toast their futures with a Coca-Cola beverage.


Tin foil hat [ON]



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This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 8:33 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 10/1/16 at 8:31 am to
quote:

eating guidelines


Meant to post this last night, but could not find the reference

It is on point...

quote:

Men who have excessive faith in their theories or ideas are not only ill prepared for making discoveries; they also make very poor observations. Of necessity, they observe with a preconceived idea, and when they devise an experiment, they can see, in its results, only a confirmation of their theory. In this way they distort observation and often neglect very important facts because they do not further their aim…. But it happens further quite naturally that men who believe too firmly in their theories, do not believe enough in the theories of others. So the dominant idea of these despisers of their fellows is to find others’ theories faulty and to try to contradict them. The difficulty, for science, is still the same.

CLAUDE BERNARD, An Introduction to the Study of Experimental Medicine, 1865
Posted by busbeepbeep
When will then be now?
Member since Jan 2004
19505 posts
Posted on 10/6/16 at 7:53 am to
quote:

Did he get a NMR Lipid Profile?


LDL particle size also matters more than total cholesterol. Particle size is measured using an NMR study. Most cholesterol studies only measure total LDL which does not tell the complete story (see example below)

HDL and triglycerides are also very important in deciphering the story


I got one of these NMR tests. This was after 18 months of Keto. I started keto in June 2014 and still follow it, though I mix in a carb refeed every once in a while to fit a special occasion.

Results not perfect, but shows my LDL comprised mostly of the large particle size.

My meals are comprised of mostly chicken wings, beef jerky, cracklin', caesar salads with chicken, steak, vegetables, nuts/seeds and lots of Jameson.

This post was edited on 10/6/16 at 7:56 am
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