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re: OT opinion on Prosecutors and Criminal Defense Attorneys
Posted on 7/30/17 at 4:21 pm to saintsfan1977
Posted on 7/30/17 at 4:21 pm to saintsfan1977
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How many court appointed attorneys actually defend their clients? Are they really getting the best defense?
Can't speak for other states, but here in GA the public defenders are pretty excellent.
What happens with your case is often dependent upon who the judge is. If I go into an unfamiliar courtroom, the first person I seek out is the public defender. They will know more about how the judge handles things and sentences than anyone.
95% of cases do not end up going to trial and the knowledge base of the public defender is equal to or greater than anyone else in any particular courtroom. They can often get the deals that some hotshot out of towner may have a harder time getting to.
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Posted on 7/30/17 at 4:39 pm to NIH
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Prosecutors sometimes end up being around cops too much and bring some of that shitty mentality to the job
In Caddo in the early 2000s there were 3 or 4 ADAs that started going on drug raids, carrying pistols in court etc etc. One of them fraudulently ordered some surplus M16s from the feds and the whole lot got fired.
Nothing wrong with getting your feet wet as an ADA but career prosecutors are weird.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 4:43 pm to GAAtty70
I think they are both vital roles.
I would love to have been a criminal defense attorney. IMO, a defense attorney is there to make sure that the prosecution proves their case and doesn't railroad someone, plays by the rules and makes it a fair fight.
I would love to have been a criminal defense attorney. IMO, a defense attorney is there to make sure that the prosecution proves their case and doesn't railroad someone, plays by the rules and makes it a fair fight.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 4:52 pm to GAAtty70
The drunk driver that kills an innocent family of 7? The piece of shite that walks into a church and shoots 4 or 5 people? The ex employee who goes back to his former place of employment and kills others still working there? If you can defend those types and sleep at night because "they are innocent until proven guilty" you are a fricking piece of shite as well - period!
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:11 am to GAAtty70
It's a grind either way. If you're a prosecutor, you're pressured into getting a conviction both by your office and by a vindictive victim (especially if money or violence was involved). I've seen a lot of situations where the victim was the instigator of a lot of issues, but still pressuring the ADA to "throw the book."
On the other hand, defense attorneys deal with less funding, a larger case load, and cops that work under the table. You're also dealing with a possible client who "didn't do anything" while at the same time you have clear evidence that they did.
It's just a matter on when and where to pick your battles. You don't want to push the envelope on a case where you KNOW your client is guilty or that there's shoddy investigation work. But, you do have those instances where it's not exactly clear and there's a good case for both sides. Prosecutors and defense attorneys have to focus their attention on those situations, and (because of the overwhelming case load) shirk off on the others.
On the other hand, defense attorneys deal with less funding, a larger case load, and cops that work under the table. You're also dealing with a possible client who "didn't do anything" while at the same time you have clear evidence that they did.
It's just a matter on when and where to pick your battles. You don't want to push the envelope on a case where you KNOW your client is guilty or that there's shoddy investigation work. But, you do have those instances where it's not exactly clear and there's a good case for both sides. Prosecutors and defense attorneys have to focus their attention on those situations, and (because of the overwhelming case load) shirk off on the others.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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OJ got off b/c of the Rodney King situation and riots more than anything dealing with that case itself
And the failures of the prosecution, i.e. the glove and using Mark Fuhrman.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:33 am to potent357
You are talking about less than .5% of all cases in the system. Plus all of examples you gave would almost certainly end up pleading unless there was some other major flaw with the state's case.
Most of the cases in our system essentially boil down to (1) random guys with drugs who will be in and out of prison for life, (2) potential drunk drivers with borderline valuable blood work, and (3) mostly petty crimes that are he said/she said.
Most of the cases in our system essentially boil down to (1) random guys with drugs who will be in and out of prison for life, (2) potential drunk drivers with borderline valuable blood work, and (3) mostly petty crimes that are he said/she said.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:35 pm to GAAtty70
Poor bastards. All of them.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:44 pm to GAAtty70
I only respect bird lawyers.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:15 pm to GAAtty70
Personally, I think lawyers are shitty people. Sorry SFP, I know you practice law.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:28 pm to GAAtty70
Criminal Defense Attorneys are either loved or hated. However, they always have the stories at the dinner table.
Criminal Defense Attorneys uphold the US constitution and their respective state's constitution to ensure the system works properly. They represent the guilty to protect the system for when an innocent defendant enters the system.
Prosecutors have a more difficult job, IMHO. They represent everyone in their state in every case.
Criminal Defense Attorneys uphold the US constitution and their respective state's constitution to ensure the system works properly. They represent the guilty to protect the system for when an innocent defendant enters the system.
Prosecutors have a more difficult job, IMHO. They represent everyone in their state in every case.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:33 pm to jbgleason
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Those that respect their position and oath and do their job zealously but within the rules.
Then there are those that lie, cheat and break their oath. frick those guys.
Agreed. Here. I don't understand lawyers who cheat for their client. It is the lawyer's law license on the line. Do everything ethically and you can sleep at night.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:59 pm to LucasP
quote:A lot of truth to this
It sounds terrible because it is terrible. When truth is secondary to wealth and resources, we get disastrous results like rich or connected people being allowed to murder. It's not a legal system it's an industry for creating wealth.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 5:02 pm to Lakeboy7
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In Caddo in the early 2000s there were 3 or 4 ADAs that started going on drug raids, carrying pistols in court etc etc. One of them fraudulently ordered some surplus M16s from the feds and the whole lot got fired.
Nothing wrong with getting your feet wet as an ADA but career prosecutors are weird.
The entire culture of prosecution up there is notoriously corrupt.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 6:01 pm to GAAtty70
Sup!
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