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re: Paging Shoebang - Brazilian Jiu Jitsu vs Muy Thai for Self Defense
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:35 pm to ShoeBang
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:35 pm to ShoeBang
Anytime, but like you said you’ll definitely get more bang for your buck if you train at an MMA gym that has BJJ, striking, weightlifting, etc. all under one roof, but they’re more popular in big cities. My city only has Jiu jitsu specialty gyms, boxing specialty gyms, etc. but if I moved to Dallas I’d train at a place like Fortis that offers everything. You can look them up for an idea of what a good gym schedule should look like
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Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:41 pm to Oates Mustache
Both if you can, with some western boxing and wrestling thrown in.
I've been doing Muay thai for 15 years now. Started on the west coast at SF at Fairtex. My coaches were right off the boat and barely spoke English. Pulled off farms as children and the weak ones were weeded out. They were awesome.
MT is devastating. Properly delivered leg kicks and knees are heavy heavy strikes and brutal. It is also a great way to stay in shape, but is not low impact...esp. if sparring a lot.
If you have a good jab, strong leg kick, can sprawl, and are somewhat athletic/young with good reflexes, you can trash 90% of people on the street.
I've been doing Muay thai for 15 years now. Started on the west coast at SF at Fairtex. My coaches were right off the boat and barely spoke English. Pulled off farms as children and the weak ones were weeded out. They were awesome.
MT is devastating. Properly delivered leg kicks and knees are heavy heavy strikes and brutal. It is also a great way to stay in shape, but is not low impact...esp. if sparring a lot.
If you have a good jab, strong leg kick, can sprawl, and are somewhat athletic/young with good reflexes, you can trash 90% of people on the street.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:46 pm to G Khan
I believe everything you said in that first paragraph especially if it’s a fairtex gym.
It still amazes me that many of them retire before 30 but understandable considering the plethora of fights they have
It still amazes me that many of them retire before 30 but understandable considering the plethora of fights they have
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:51 pm to G Khan
The Thai say only a Thai can teach it, is there really that much difference between your best Thai and non-Thai coach? It’s the first question any Thai person asks you about a gym, “are the coaches Thai?”
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:56 pm to Oates Mustache
BJJ.
Most fights go to the ground. Granted, they all start from standing and you can do a lot of damage even in a clinch in Muay Thai, but the simple things you can do to neutralize and incapacitate and opponent in Brazilian jiu jitsu is the way to go if you just had to choose one.
Most fights go to the ground. Granted, they all start from standing and you can do a lot of damage even in a clinch in Muay Thai, but the simple things you can do to neutralize and incapacitate and opponent in Brazilian jiu jitsu is the way to go if you just had to choose one.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:57 pm to lsucoonass
They all started fighting at 10+. By the time they are 25 they have 200+ fights and are "washed up" in Thailand. Ankles like softballs and eyebrows that look like they were hit with a roll of quarters. Hard hard MFers. They would come to the US to take fights and trash people here and instruct at gyms like Faritex. Ganyao ("Dr. Knee"; stand up coach on first Ultimate Fighter for Liddell's team) and Jongsanan ("Wooden Man"-check out the "Elbow War" on YouTube; was still fighting pro at the time) were my main instructors.
It was awesome place to learn and to see 1st hand what it takes to be a pro. Gilbert Melendez (top 5 in MMA in his class at one time) was the ground instructor and he was with Ceasar Gracie crew (Nick & Nate Diaz, Jake Sheilds, etc.). They would all train ground on Wednesdays and do stand up sparring rounds before fights. Brutal...champs in MMA getting the shite kicked out of them standing up w/ pro MT guys in order to get ready.
Pro MT guys in training camps. Royce Gracie trained there before his fight with Matt Hughes..didn't go so well for him but really fricking cool to see the man in person. I knew he was probably in trouble when he was doing the same workouts as us. He was much older by then too.
I think kids, esp. boys benefit greatly from learning self defense skills. It feels good to walk around knowing you can handle yourself if you have too. I wish I would have started as a kid.
It was awesome place to learn and to see 1st hand what it takes to be a pro. Gilbert Melendez (top 5 in MMA in his class at one time) was the ground instructor and he was with Ceasar Gracie crew (Nick & Nate Diaz, Jake Sheilds, etc.). They would all train ground on Wednesdays and do stand up sparring rounds before fights. Brutal...champs in MMA getting the shite kicked out of them standing up w/ pro MT guys in order to get ready.
Pro MT guys in training camps. Royce Gracie trained there before his fight with Matt Hughes..didn't go so well for him but really fricking cool to see the man in person. I knew he was probably in trouble when he was doing the same workouts as us. He was much older by then too.
I think kids, esp. boys benefit greatly from learning self defense skills. It feels good to walk around knowing you can handle yourself if you have too. I wish I would have started as a kid.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:57 pm to 3lsu3
Some of the Dutch are incredible practitioners of Muay Thai and kickboxing such as Ernesto Hoost
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:59 pm to 3lsu3
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is there really that much difference between your best Thai and non-Thai coach?
The guy that taught us was a former Power Ranger from the TV show/movies and as white as the wind driven snow. No shite about the Power Ranger part either. I know really nothing about MT instructors other than he was trained by some guy named Master Toddy and we wore the goofiest training shorts.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:04 pm to lsucoonass
The Dutch are very interesting in that they take many, sometimes very obscure, TMA very seriously.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:06 pm to G Khan
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Nick & Nate Diaz, Jake Sheilds, etc
I moved back home to Monroe, LA about 3 years ago for a job that ended up not panning out. The only bright spot was I got reconnect with a friend of mine in West Monroe that runs a BJJ school under the Kron Gracie banner (he is actually a Pedro Sauer BB). I got a chance to go out to Kron's school in LA to train (like LA, not Louisiana) and Nick and Nate came down from Stockton. They are good buddies with Kron. Kron may be the best BJJ guy I have ever seen on a mat.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:08 pm to 3lsu3
I think non-Thai instructors are just fine...as long as you are not at a McDojo type place. If it is a former pro fighter, that is a great start IMO.
Non-Thai also tend to mix western boxing in better than Thai instructors IMO.
The trainers at Fairtex were unbeatatble for MT-centric strikes...knees, elbows, low kicks, liver/mid kicks, and and The Clinch. They taught us the right technique and how to devastate. it was a little tough to understand them sometimes so they would be physical with us to teach. It worked, you catch on quick LOL. They were not the best for punches . They were very stuck on MT's squared up stance as that is how they were taught since children. I prefer to switch to boxing stance when throwing punches and stay in MT stance as the default for defense and all other strikes.
The clinch work was #1. Devastating. See Anderson Silva vs. Rich Franklin...
Non-Thai also tend to mix western boxing in better than Thai instructors IMO.
The trainers at Fairtex were unbeatatble for MT-centric strikes...knees, elbows, low kicks, liver/mid kicks, and and The Clinch. They taught us the right technique and how to devastate. it was a little tough to understand them sometimes so they would be physical with us to teach. It worked, you catch on quick LOL. They were not the best for punches . They were very stuck on MT's squared up stance as that is how they were taught since children. I prefer to switch to boxing stance when throwing punches and stay in MT stance as the default for defense and all other strikes.
The clinch work was #1. Devastating. See Anderson Silva vs. Rich Franklin...
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:09 pm to MWP
Small world, my little girl’s head coach is a pasty white boy from the movies as well. He’s got a considerable Muay Thai history, as well.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:11 pm to G Khan
I had friends go train over there late 90s early 2000s which sounded cool but way too intense.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:12 pm to MWP
When I was living in bossier city, the sensei I was learning judo from said the same thing about Kron. This was coming from someone who did judo for forty years and was a red and white belt
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:12 pm to lsucoonass
"Some of the Dutch are incredible practitioners of Muay Thai and kickboxing such as Ernesto Hoost"
Oh yeah...at heavier weight, nobody is better than the Dutch. Rico is the man right now. I saw Peter Aerts, "the Lumberjack" fight at a K1 in Tokyo. Beast. Leg kicks that would snap a man's femur. Saw him at the airport in Amsterdam once too. He is a fricking stout mfer. Had to be 6 4' 250+ walking around.
Alex Pereira, a Brazilian, is a bad bad man right now! He has been on a tear. Perfect body for MT or Kickboxing. Check out his KO of Isreal Adesanya in Glory before he moved over to UFC.
Badr Hari, a Moroccan, was the man for a while.
Thais dominate the lower weight classes...there are just no big ones. Ganyao is the biggest one I've ever seen.
Oh yeah...at heavier weight, nobody is better than the Dutch. Rico is the man right now. I saw Peter Aerts, "the Lumberjack" fight at a K1 in Tokyo. Beast. Leg kicks that would snap a man's femur. Saw him at the airport in Amsterdam once too. He is a fricking stout mfer. Had to be 6 4' 250+ walking around.
Alex Pereira, a Brazilian, is a bad bad man right now! He has been on a tear. Perfect body for MT or Kickboxing. Check out his KO of Isreal Adesanya in Glory before he moved over to UFC.
Badr Hari, a Moroccan, was the man for a while.
Thais dominate the lower weight classes...there are just no big ones. Ganyao is the biggest one I've ever seen.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:12 pm to Cash
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So the parts about arm bars, triangle chokes, guards, mounts, etc. All of these are executed from the feet?
No, but rear naked chokes, arm triangle chokes, and guillotines, which are all easy to do when in the clinch, can all be done standing up, not to mention arm drags which will get you to someone's back for control or a choke in a split second.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:13 pm to MWP
Master Toddy is LEGIT. Was based in Vegas I think. He is who trained Gina Carano coming up.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:15 pm to G Khan
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.at heavier weight, nobody is better than the Dutch.
Jerome Le Banner would like a word.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:18 pm to MWP
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I got a chance to go out to Kron's school in LA to train
Sounds legit. If guys like that are showing up, it is a legit place 100%. The west has so so many school and places to train. There are some good places here too though.
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