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re: Robert E. Lee monument coming down NOW
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:14 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:14 pm to fightin tigers
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They won't engineer their way out of it though.
Actually you can. It's done all of the time because professionals who are qualified to analyze this do so. When that doesn't happen people get killed and seriously injured.
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They know how much about it weighs and probably have a good idea of it is attached.
If there is faulty ground then yes. But in New Orleans that is true no matter what.
This can be mitigated by soil borings, soil verification, augers , soil samples... Work that needs to be done by a professional. Not by poor fireman who gets to do the bidding of his dear leader. This is how people have accidents and die.
From everything I have seen any Joe blow off the street is just as qualified as these yahoos.
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:16 pm to JS87
There is literally no reason to take it down. Landrieu is just doing this shite for the hell of it. Is he just always on fricking drugs to be doing fricked up shite like this?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:16 pm to dukke v
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but how does a statue bother anyone?????
They don't.
This is all about Mitch.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:16 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Actually you can. It's done all of the time because professionals who are qualified to analyze this do so. When that doesn't happen people get killed and seriously injured.
You can engineer for the known. Engineering for all unknowns is virtually impossible.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:17 pm to fightin tigers
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You can engineer for the known. Engineering for all unknowns is virtually impossible.
So you think these guys can do a better job than the guys who do this for a living?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:18 pm to JS87
Kind of funny to take out anger on Robert Lee of all people.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:20 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Surely you know that's not true, right?
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I mean...I only grew up just outside of New Orleans from the early 70's onward, then on to Lafayette in '88 and never heard a word.
Feel free to link something that I've missed. But at no point in time to I recall any large or even meaningful complaining about these statues...ever.
Still waiting on SuperSaint to link something here. I'm more than willing to be wrong as I simply might be ignorant to something. But, I have absolutely no recollection of this being an issue my entire life. Keep in mind, Morial was elected to his first term when I was 8, and there have been 4 black mayors including Dutch since then.
Surely if this was some huge deal and the black community was up in arms, one of these men would have had a bunch to say about it, and there would be many articles to link with them talking about this issue.
If so, I'm willing to say I was wrong...
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:20 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So you think these guys can do a better job than the guys who do this for a living?
I don't have the inside track to know who planned all of this so it is impossible for me to answer.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:21 pm to BOSCEAUX
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So this means the civil war and slavery never happened....right? People that try to whitewash history are scum.
They aren't erasing it from history books, they just aren't idolizing the general. There is a difference.
eta: I don't care if it goes or stays. I don't think there is a urgent need to take it down, nor is there a solid reason to demand it be left there.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:22 pm to barry
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they just aren't idolizing the general
That implies he was idolized to begin with? Maybe he was just being remembered?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:22 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I have absolutely no recollection of this being an issue my entire life. Keep in mind, Morial was elected to his first term when I was 8, and there have been 4 black mayors including Dutch since then.
Surely if this was some huge deal and the black community was up in arms, one of these men would have had a bunch to say about it, and there would be many articles to link with them talking about this issue.
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Consider this passage from a 1998 story in The Times-Picayune, which reported on a small group of protesters who began calling for the removal of the most prominent of the city's three monuments to Civil War figures -- the statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee in one of the city's largest public plazas.
'Four political activists gathered Wednesday at Lee Circle to denounce the ongoing restoration of the monument to Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. They said the statue glorifies a pro-slavery icon in a city mostly populated by the descendants of African slaves and led by a black mayor.'
That mayor was Marc Morial, who resisted calls to remove the monument. He was quoted in that story as saying he was more focused on "many other much more important battles to fight, like improving education, dealing with the children in poverty and fighting black-on-black violence."
Marc Morial, the son of the 1st black mayor in the history of New Orleans and current head of the Urban League, did not give a single solitary frick about these statues when he was mayor.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:23 pm to barry
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idolizing the general
In my almost 40 years of living here, I've never seen anyone idolizing these statues. No one gave a frick about them.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:25 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
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Surely if this was some huge deal and the black community was up in arms, one of these men would have had a bunch to say about it, and there would be many articles to link with them talking about this issue.
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Consider this passage from a 1998 story in The Times-Picayune, which reported on a small group of protesters who began calling for the removal of the most prominent of the city's three monuments to Civil War figures -- the statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee in one of the city's largest public plazas.
Four political activists gathered Wednesday at Lee Circle to denounce the ongoing restoration of the monument to Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. They said the statue glorifies a pro-slavery icon in a city mostly populated by the descendants of African slaves and led by a black mayor.
That mayor was Marc Morial, who resisted calls to remove the monument. He was quoted in that story as saying he was more focused on "many other much more important battles to fight, like improving education, dealing with the children in poverty and fighting black-on-black violence."
Kind of my point.
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Marc Morial, the son of the 1st black mayor in the history of New Orleans and current head of the Urban League, did not give a single solitary frick about these statues when he was mayor.
Which is the correct thing to say given the actual problems facing the city then, and even more apt now.
People arguing over the value of the men in question are missing the point, and anyone acting as if this was some real pressing issue within the black community is either lying, or willfully ignorant.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:25 pm to arseinclarse
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No one gave a frick about them.
exactly, which im not sure why either side cares.
You can't argue that they should stay AND you don't care about them.
I would get behind anyone who wants to stop it because they are disconcerted about the voices of a few being pandered too and that whether or not the statues should stay is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:25 pm to GeauxTigerTM
i'm sure one of the protestors was ex-con Malcolm Suber of Take 'Em Down NOLA fame so yeah.
also it does prove your point, that's why i posted it.
also it does prove your point, that's why i posted it.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:26 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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That mayor was Marc Morial, who resisted calls to remove the monument. He was quoted in that story as saying he was more focused on "many other much more important battles to fight, like improving education, dealing with the children in poverty and fighting black-on-black violence."
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:27 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
quote:in 1998
Four political activists
Malcolm Suber and his people in 2015 to present are what? What do they do for a living?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:27 pm to arseinclarse
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They don't.
This is all about Mitch.
This.
Petes pea brain doesn't comprehend that
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:28 pm to barry
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You can't argue that they should stay AND you don't care about them.
It costs money to move them. It takes resources to move them.
This city is broke as frick and has resources spread extremely thin.
To be perfectly honest, I don't give two shits whether the statues stay or go in a vacuum. But I can tell you, I've lived in this city my entire life and I've never seen someone talk about the statues, ever, until Mitch.
It was a non-issue that no one cared about.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:31 pm to Fun Bunch
Sticky please
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