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re: St. George on track to collect signatures needed to be put on ballot
Posted on 4/28/15 at 8:27 pm to SuperflyLSU
Posted on 4/28/15 at 8:27 pm to SuperflyLSU
Um sorry you can't detect sarcasm. You are correct the Green Light Plan was a parish wide plan that has benefitted the entire parish. Just like most other investments within the parish have benefit the parish as a whole to include the downtown and mid city redevelopment. I'm sure the current business owners on O'neal Lane are delighted that the Central Thruway is funneling traffic to their door step.
I grew up in Shenandoah which to me means that I grew up in Baton Rouge. I'm not the problem because I'm against this movement. The problem is there are a bunch of people who reside in the area formerly known as southeast Baton Rouge that truly believe that their tax dollars have not been reinvested in their part of town when realistically over the past 35 years most of the infrastructure investment in this city has been the area that now wants to be called St. George.
Pretty soon we are going to have two cities and the only thing that is going to change is that all of our property taxes will go up significantly regardless which city you live in.
I grew up in Shenandoah which to me means that I grew up in Baton Rouge. I'm not the problem because I'm against this movement. The problem is there are a bunch of people who reside in the area formerly known as southeast Baton Rouge that truly believe that their tax dollars have not been reinvested in their part of town when realistically over the past 35 years most of the infrastructure investment in this city has been the area that now wants to be called St. George.
Pretty soon we are going to have two cities and the only thing that is going to change is that all of our property taxes will go up significantly regardless which city you live in.
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Posted on 4/28/15 at 9:18 pm to armytiger96
My apologies, I honestly missed the sarcasm. As touchy as this subject has been, it's a little more difficult to tell when a post is serious or in jest. Although I grew up in Baker, I too have always and still identify myself as being a part of Baton Rouge. Until recently, I've never had any reason to feel otherwise. Frankly I'm a little sick of this whole ordeal, and I'm ready for it to be over with one way or the other.
I don't fault anyone for being against the city, in all honesty I'm not 100% myself, there are still a lot of questions I don't think have been fully answered. What I do find fault in is the way this topic has caused people to go after each other and to bring it to a very personal level, and not in a positive way. This is not meant directly to you, just my observations in general.
As far as the current businesses on O'Neal, I agree I'm sure they are loving it. The road definitely needed the upgrade and it has improved the traffic flow. My previous post was more directed towards the obscene amount of time that the project drug on due to poor planning or execution and the result it had on the existing businesses. Many of them took a significant hit, a few of them were forced to relocate or shut down permanently. I'm happy to see that DPW appears to have learned their lesson and are being more efficient with the Jones Creek improvements.
I don't fault anyone for being against the city, in all honesty I'm not 100% myself, there are still a lot of questions I don't think have been fully answered. What I do find fault in is the way this topic has caused people to go after each other and to bring it to a very personal level, and not in a positive way. This is not meant directly to you, just my observations in general.
As far as the current businesses on O'Neal, I agree I'm sure they are loving it. The road definitely needed the upgrade and it has improved the traffic flow. My previous post was more directed towards the obscene amount of time that the project drug on due to poor planning or execution and the result it had on the existing businesses. Many of them took a significant hit, a few of them were forced to relocate or shut down permanently. I'm happy to see that DPW appears to have learned their lesson and are being more efficient with the Jones Creek improvements.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 9:43 pm to SuperflyLSU
I do think some of the reinvestment has been beneficial to our area (albeit a long while too late).
However neither of you have tried to give any answer to what we should do about our failing school system. Acting like Tara and broadmoor and Lee high are viable options for our high schoolers is laughable. Our part of the parish had been sorely neglected by the school board. There is no fix for EBR schools.
However neither of you have tried to give any answer to what we should do about our failing school system. Acting like Tara and broadmoor and Lee high are viable options for our high schoolers is laughable. Our part of the parish had been sorely neglected by the school board. There is no fix for EBR schools.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 9:51 pm to SuperflyLSU
I agree with your sentiment on how this has been handled. I think the mayor and the vocal council members, especially Juan Delgado, have completely mishandled this situation. Instead of using this as an opportunity to unite they have found a way to ignite the division.
I also don't believe that this is about schools. If it was then why didn't Bodi White and his lackey Lionel put their money and efforts behind forming a political voting block to elect school board members and council members that support an independent school district last fall. I don't recall them endorsing a single candidate.
I also don't believe that this is about schools. If it was then why didn't Bodi White and his lackey Lionel put their money and efforts behind forming a political voting block to elect school board members and council members that support an independent school district last fall. I don't recall them endorsing a single candidate.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:08 pm to armytiger96
This is the way they did it in Central. It's worked before, so it is probably our best shot at getting a decent school system too.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:08 pm to mpar98
The final tally is going to be close, one way or another. Better Together is sandbagging at least some of the withdrawal forms, so that SG can't know exactly how many they need. I'm glad this issue will have finality, soon.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:16 pm to dragginass
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Better Together is sandbagging at least some of the withdrawal forms, so that SG can't know exactly how many they need
Better Together let people know their names were fraudently used. I guess that's sandbagging to you Rainey. Or are you his wife?
And SG was told exactly how many sigs they needed and are short.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:17 pm to Huck Finn
My pie in the sky dream for EBR schools:
Create another disciplinary high school for the system. Grow a set of balls and remove the kids who have no interest in learning from the classroom so that those who do want to receive an education are able to do so. Perhaps a partnership with a charter academy? I seem to remember hearing good things about a leadership academy that ran Cleo fields ran when I was a kid, although I don't know how accurate that was.
Baton Rouge High is the crown jewel and lone bright spot in the system, why can we not duplicate it? Or better yet, triplicate it? Take Woodlawn in the south and Scotlandville in the north and invest the time and resources. If cost is prohibitive, run a pilot program the first few years to test it out. The reason the private school system thrives is because outside of BR high there are no viable options. How about you give the parents a reason to keep their kids in system.
Build another high school in south baton rouge when the need arises. Yes, buildings cost money. Yes, more teachers cost money. Show the parents a promise of brighter days and the taxpayers will open their wallets.
I never understood why EBR never tried to duplicate BR high. It was never for lack of bright minds. When I went to school in the 90s, the gifted program was thrivingat the middle school level. Problem was, most of us were not allowed to even apply for BR high and after 3 years of school in rough areas (istrouma and McKinley) our parents were not thrilled to send us to either Scotlandville or McKinley high. So off to private school most of us went, which imho was a damn shame.
None of this would be possible without an increase in parent and community involvement, but I'd like to think that would happen if an effort was made on the systems part to be receptive to change and growth. I'm not sure the feasibility of the disciplinary changes, I don't know at what quotas funding comes into play. But I do know that as long as the perception exists that our schools are unsafe and it's br high or bust, nothing will ever change.
Create another disciplinary high school for the system. Grow a set of balls and remove the kids who have no interest in learning from the classroom so that those who do want to receive an education are able to do so. Perhaps a partnership with a charter academy? I seem to remember hearing good things about a leadership academy that ran Cleo fields ran when I was a kid, although I don't know how accurate that was.
Baton Rouge High is the crown jewel and lone bright spot in the system, why can we not duplicate it? Or better yet, triplicate it? Take Woodlawn in the south and Scotlandville in the north and invest the time and resources. If cost is prohibitive, run a pilot program the first few years to test it out. The reason the private school system thrives is because outside of BR high there are no viable options. How about you give the parents a reason to keep their kids in system.
Build another high school in south baton rouge when the need arises. Yes, buildings cost money. Yes, more teachers cost money. Show the parents a promise of brighter days and the taxpayers will open their wallets.
I never understood why EBR never tried to duplicate BR high. It was never for lack of bright minds. When I went to school in the 90s, the gifted program was thrivingat the middle school level. Problem was, most of us were not allowed to even apply for BR high and after 3 years of school in rough areas (istrouma and McKinley) our parents were not thrilled to send us to either Scotlandville or McKinley high. So off to private school most of us went, which imho was a damn shame.
None of this would be possible without an increase in parent and community involvement, but I'd like to think that would happen if an effort was made on the systems part to be receptive to change and growth. I'm not sure the feasibility of the disciplinary changes, I don't know at what quotas funding comes into play. But I do know that as long as the perception exists that our schools are unsafe and it's br high or bust, nothing will ever change.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:25 pm to Huck Finn
quote:
Our part of the parish had been sorely neglected by the school board. There is no fix for EBR schools.
Before 2012, where were the complaints for lack of schools? There were even 2 additional schools that were added before then.
This post was edited on 4/28/15 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:26 pm to SuperflyLSU
quote:
by SuperflyLSU
Run for school board
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:31 pm to magildachunks
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Better Together let people know their names were fraudently used. I guess that's sandbagging to you Rainey. Or are you his wife?
And SG was told exactly how many sigs they needed and are short.
There you go again. ...
2694 is the number SG was told. However, BT has been walking every day to people who have signed, and hound them to withdraw their name (as previous posters have mentioned). For sure, some people sign to have their names removed. These will then become additional signatures SG needs to gather. BT has not been turning these in, they are sitting on them. If I can explain that more clearly, let me know.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:34 pm to Huck Finn
The only way to fix the school system is to convince parents to send their kids to public schools instead of private schools.
Good luck!
Good luck!
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:34 pm to dragginass
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These will then become additional signatures SG needs to gather. BT has not been turning these in, they are sitting on them
I'm sorry, are they required to release those?
SG constantly refuses to release their exact numbers.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:37 pm to magildachunks
quote:
I'm sorry, are they required to release those?
SG constantly refuses to release their exact numbers.
You're changing your argument. You said:
quote:
I guess that's sandbagging to you Rainey. Or are you his wife?
And SG was told exactly how many sigs they needed and are short
And that's simply not true. Keep digging....
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:40 pm to dragginass
SG knows exactly how short they came up.
My argument remains
My argument remains
Posted on 4/28/15 at 10:46 pm to magildachunks
You're getting irrational like Russian.
I explained why this isn't true already. You posted it trying to discredit my comment about BT sandbagging, and SG being unsure of exactly how many they will need.
You're still wrong.
quote:
And SG was told exactly how many sigs they needed and are short
I explained why this isn't true already. You posted it trying to discredit my comment about BT sandbagging, and SG being unsure of exactly how many they will need.
You're still wrong.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 11:00 pm to SuperflyLSU
I agree in theory with a lot of what you said. The problems are that you will be immediately race labeled racist when you try to implement that new disciplinary high school, there is no way with the unrest the St George movement has embodied that they will spend money on new high schools outside the city limits anytime in the near future.
You have two major problems plaguing the school system. In most of EBR schools, it's a lack of discipline, pitiful home life, and lack of funding to educate poor kids. In our neck of the woods, it's a problem of participation. The good kids that could turn Woodlawn into an A school all go to private schools.
You're a racist if you try to fix the first problem and you won't fix the second problem without a clean break from fronts status quo that actually gets buy in from the community.
Two major problems in two different areas, but they won't divide the school system to conquer it.
You have two major problems plaguing the school system. In most of EBR schools, it's a lack of discipline, pitiful home life, and lack of funding to educate poor kids. In our neck of the woods, it's a problem of participation. The good kids that could turn Woodlawn into an A school all go to private schools.
You're a racist if you try to fix the first problem and you won't fix the second problem without a clean break from fronts status quo that actually gets buy in from the community.
Two major problems in two different areas, but they won't divide the school system to conquer it.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 11:02 pm to SuperflyLSU
quote:
Baton Rouge High is the crown jewel and lone bright spot in the system, why can we not duplicate it?
They are, the new Lee Magnet High is opening next year, serving (gasp) many in the proposed St. George area. Glad you are staying on top of things
Article, although the Math and Science thing didnt work out
Posted on 4/28/15 at 11:09 pm to Huck Finn
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there is no way with the unrest the St George movement has embodied that they will spend money on new high schools outside the city limits anytime in the near future.
EBR Schools could build a brand new "St. George High School" on Burbank, give Lionel Rainey and Norman Browning complete control, and the school would still be devoid of white kids, because no one wants to send their kids to school with Gardere kids.
But this is exactly what St. George proposes, just taking out the EBR part. I fail to see this being very successful.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 11:18 pm to Lloyd Christmas
What a stupid argument. Let's construct an extreme case built around the lowest common denominator.
Go ahead, Lloyd, let's hear how keeping the status quo will somehow not sacrifice or kids' education so the numb nuts at the school board keep their pay checks. What's your big plan to fix the schools?
Go ahead, Lloyd, let's hear how keeping the status quo will somehow not sacrifice or kids' education so the numb nuts at the school board keep their pay checks. What's your big plan to fix the schools?
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