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Posted on 11/22/21 at 1:10 pm to Kafka
Centuries from now, along with the Pieta, the Mona Lisa, and David, this iconic photo reenactment of Lee H Oswald will take its rightful place of honor.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 1:11 pm to IceTiger
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IceTiger
Here we go. The website has been up a long time so it was hard for me to find it again, but here you go.
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- they released a full dossier on LHO internationally within hours, well before pre-internet and early in international phone calls.
Prouty was in New Zealand when Kennedy was shot, and believed that the Christchurch Star reported on Oswald's background far too quickly. It smelled to him like a CIA-planted cover story. Researcher David Perry looked at this issue to see whether the initial reports on Oswald and his background contained any suspicious information. He found that all the information in the paper was available in the files of U.S. newspapers and ready to be quickly sent over the news wires. And Bob Cotton, Chief Reporter of the Christchurch Star, has explained how the paper they published that day was the result of journalistic diligence, and not conspiratorial machinations.
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they dialed down defense support in Dallas for that weekend.
One of the most quoted assertions of L. Fletcher Prouty is the claim that an Army Intelligence unit — the 316th Field Detachment of the 112th Military Intelligence Group — was ordered to "stand down" and provide no additional security for Kennedy's Texas visit.
The commander of an army unit, specially trained in protection . . . had been told he and his men would not be needed in Dallas. "Another Army unit will cover that city," the commander was told.
I called a member of that army unit later. I was told that the commander "had offered the services of his unit for protection duties for the entire trip through Texas," that he was "point-blank and categorically refused by the Secret Service," and that "there were hot words between the agencies."
This leaves an important question: Why was the assistance of this skilled and experienced unit "point-blank refused?" Who knew ahead of time that it would not be wanted in Dallas?
L. Fletcher Prouty: JFK, The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy, p. 294.
The Reality
The House Select Committee on Assassinations took testimony from Colonel Robert E. Jones, who had been the Operations Officer of the 112th Military Intelligence group from June, 1963 until January 1965. He was questioned about a variety of matters, including his unit's role in the protection of President Kennedy during his Texas trip. Not only did Jones not mention any orders to "stand down," he explicitly noted that his unit provided protection for the president in Dallas! He stated:
We provided a small force — I do not recall how many, but I would estimate between 8 and 12 — during the President's visit to San Antonio, Texas; and then the following day, on his visit to Dallas, the regions also provided additional people to assist, that is additional people from Region 2. Hearings Before the Subcommittee on the Assassination of John F. Kennedy of the Select Committee on Assassinations, House of Representatives, Executive Session, Washington, DC., April 20, 1978, p. 1-14.
Prouty's claim is thus flatly at odds with the on-the-record sworn testimony of the Operations Officer of the unit. Like so many of his claims, it just doesn't jibe with the historical record.
Another link disproving Garrison
By all accounts, Garrison was a very unethical lawyer and many people have refuted majority of his book, which is the basis for the movie "JFK".
Posted on 11/22/21 at 1:16 pm to EA6B
Or stops along the way to coordinate with someone onsite. “Not there yet. ETA twenty minutes. Delay. Walk him out when you have a visual of me in place.”
Is there a video or recording of Oswald asking to change shirts? Just wondering if there is proof that occurred or if it is just reported that it occurred. Anything can be written after the fact. Dead man can’t talk.
Is there a video or recording of Oswald asking to change shirts? Just wondering if there is proof that occurred or if it is just reported that it occurred. Anything can be written after the fact. Dead man can’t talk.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 1:17 pm to LCA131
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Harry Connick Jr. has a good-looking wife. You gonna deny that too?
Marcello installed Harry Sr because Garrison was getting too close to the truth.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 1:18 pm to Kafka
James P. Hosty, the fbi agent in charge of Oswald in Dallas.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 1:32 pm to SantaFe
I was a friend of Phil Chamberlain, the Kodak technician, who developed the Zapruder film in Dallas. He passed away about 7 years ago. He was the first person to view that film.
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 1:52 pm to BugAC
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He found that all the information in the paper was available in the files of U.S. newspapers and ready to be quickly sent over the news wires. And Bob Cotton, Chief Reporter of the Christchurch Star, has explained how the paper they published that day was the result of journalistic diligence, and not conspiratorial machinations.
Who packages this info and sends it out to the papers?
The news today refuses to report about the details of the Waukegan massacre...who tells them not to?
You're gonna convince me that within hours, AT THAT DAY AND AGE a few reporters knew shite about Oswald's international travels and published it hours after his arrest.
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We provided a small force — I do not recall how many, but I would estimate between 8 and 12 — during the President's visit to San Antonio, Texas; and then the following day, on his visit to Dallas, the regions also provided additional people to assist, that is additional people from Region 2.
I said it was dialed back...I wasn't arguing what he said, if there were 10 people who were they? Where were they, did you see the military there, where were the uniformed personnel?
That just sounds like some stuff they just said to the Warren Commission. Which was obviously a button up situation.
If the Warren Commission wanted to know, they would've gotten details...
Bomb squads, spotters, snipers all kinds of Secret Service support moves around for POTUS support, even then.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 1:57 pm to BugAC
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Prouty's claim is thus flatly at odds with the on-the-record sworn testimony of the Operations Officer of the unit. Like so many of his claims, it just doesn't jibe with the historical record.
On this point...what's the historical record? Obfuscation in the Warren Report? The whole point of this thread is to throw shade at that record.
The actual record is, they got him killed. Prouty claims Lansdale might have told him to ease off or something to diminish the presence. Either way, they weren't there when he was shot. So they were incompetent, ordered to do otherwise, or complicit.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 2:16 pm to IceTiger
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He found that all the information in the paper was available in the files of U.S. newspapers and ready to be quickly sent over the news wires. And Bob Cotton, Chief Reporter of the Christchurch Star, has explained how the paper they published that day was the result of journalistic diligence, and not conspiratorial machinations.
Who packages this info and sends it out to the papers?
Why would US Newspapers already have a file of information on Oswald (unless it was provided to them)? - prior to assassination he was nobody
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:34 pm to LazloHollyfeld
Months before the assassination, Oswald shot at and missed General Edwin Walker, a devout anti-communist. He later shot and killed JKF. He was a nut job, end of story.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:45 pm to ianfson1
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Oswald shot at and missed General Edwin Walker
This was not attributed to Oswald until after JFK. Let’s say I want to set up a solid patsy story. It sure would be convenient to have that crazy person botch a prior murder with a similar weapon.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:52 pm to EA6B
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If that was the case Ruby was the worlds worst at planning s hit. They traced his steps that morning, at any stop he made had taken s few minutes longer, had he caught a couple of traffic lights on red he would have arrived after Oswald was moved. Additionally, Oswald should have already been moved before Ruby arrived, the only reason Oswald was still at the courthouse is that Oswald himself had requested that he be allowed to change shirts delaying him being moved. That Ruby was tasked with killing Oswald has been debunked or decades.
False. He was going to do it as it was he kill Oswald and keep his mouth shut in jail or risk Oswald talking and live a very short life afterwards. To think that Oswald was a lone gunman is absurd. Bobby Kennedy knew exactly who killed his brother, and I'm sure he regretted going after the mafia and dumping Marcello in South America. LBJ was who everyone outside of the Sinatra mob crowd in Chicago and the Northeast wanted as president. They knew with JFK out of the way, Bobby's power disappeared over night.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 4:57 pm to Prominentwon
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Can’t you just bump all the years before? I’m pretty sure no information has changed.
You know the rule about bumping old threads.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 5:07 pm to LazloHollyfeld
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This was not attributed to Oswald until after JFK. Let’s say I want to set up a solid patsy story. It sure would be convenient to have that crazy person botch a prior murder with a similar weapon.
Or he WAS crazy. One can discount any information if they want to believe it was a conspiracy. Most people back then (I was 12), just could not possibly believe a crazed gunman could take down the president of the United States on his own thus it had to be a conspiracy. No one would have a problem believing it these days.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 5:11 pm to BorrisMart
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To think that Oswald was a lone gunman is absurd. Bobby Kennedy knew exactly who killed his brother,
But yet Bobby was killed by a lone gunman! Or was that absurd as well?
Posted on 11/22/21 at 5:12 pm to Dirk Dawgler
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Or stops along the way to coordinate with someone onsite. “Not there yet. ETA twenty minutes.
Ruby stoped at Wedtern Union tonwite money, it was only minutes from there to the courthouse, had the Western Union taken a minute longer he would have missed Oswald. He wasn’t hiding in wait at the courthouse, he literally parked his car walked to the courthouse, and opened the door just as Oswald was going by. If had to wait for a parking space or had he had taken 10 seconds longer to walk from his car Oswald would have been lone gone. Ruby was known to always carry a gun, there were no metal detectors back then. There is nothing in the whole sequence of events to remotely suggest it was planned.
This post was edited on 11/22/21 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 11/22/21 at 5:39 pm to ianfson1
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But yet Bobby was killed by a lone gunman! Or was that absurd as well?
Apples and bowling balls. Just because Bobby was killed by a lone gunman in a much less protected area years later, its supposed to mean that crazy arse Oswald concocted this entire plan on his own. Even further, Jack Ruby who was well known to run rackets for Marcello and the Chicago Outfit in Dallas and the Midwest just went and shot Oswald out of his sense of patriotic duty?
ETA: if you think men of that stature couldn't provide Ruby with the right time to be there to shoot him then I don't know what to tell you. This wasn't even the most sophisticated hit of that era.
This post was edited on 11/22/21 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 11/22/21 at 6:01 pm to BorrisMart
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Apples and bowling balls. Just because Bobby was killed by a lone gunman in a much less protected area years later, its supposed to mean that crazy arse Oswald concocted this entire plan on his own.
You putting words in my mouth. I never said that because Bobby was shot by a lone gunman meant that Oswald concocted the entire plan to shoot JKF. My point was what was necessarily absurd about it? Because a bunch conspiracy theorist say so. It was not such a protected area unless you believe no shots were fired from the school book depository.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 6:05 pm to Kafka
CIA and the Mob worked together is my theory. Also future President George H.W. Bush helped orchestrate it. He was once asked where he was when Kennedy was assassinated and said he couldn’t recall just to come back an hour later saying he was in Tyler TX… which isn’t all that far… an hour and 40 minute drive from the grassy knoll and even shorter than that by plane. Hell they could have easily met halfway as well. I’m not saying he shot him, but I do think he helped orchestrate it and was nearby the morning before the assassination.
EDIT to OP: while he’s covered under the CIA, add in George H.W. Bush in the OP.
EDIT to OP: while he’s covered under the CIA, add in George H.W. Bush in the OP.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 2:14 pm
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