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Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:13 pm to
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The potential for what, to have something to brag about when he’s 40?


potential to be the best he can be.

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I said multiple times I’m only in this thread because travel baseball parents tend to be the douchiest people at the park and deserve to be made fun of.



pretty sure you hold that title.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37319 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:13 pm to
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the ball isn’t on a flat path.


correct...spent the last couple pages trying to get him to understand this.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
7174 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:14 pm to
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knob to the ball is not the same as rotate the box. nor is it the same as knob to the pitcher and replace front elbow. knob to the ball causes a hitter to become disconneted


Either approach is isolating the hands. The base, driving the knee, and hip rotation dictate more of the swing path than the hands do alone.

A peave of mine
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37319 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:15 pm to
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Either approach is isolating the hands.


rotating the box is the exact opposite of isolating the hands. complete opposite

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The base, driving the knee, and hip rotation dictate more of the swing path than the hands do alone.



we agree there
Posted by 92Tiger
Member since Dec 2015
616 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:23 pm to
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I posted this in the last travel ball thread but I'll post it again. As a parent what would you rather for your child a 4-5 year stint at a place like Louisiana College, or LSU-E that might include a stop at one of 100 JUCOs in Mississippi or a 3.5-4 year college experience at the honors program at LSU or a degree from Tulane?



I'd go with honors at Tulane. I'd only let her do honors at LSU if she could fight and was prepared to be a dorm warrior.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
7174 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:23 pm to
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rotating the box is the exact opposite of isolating the hands. complete opposite


Meant top half more so than hands.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15251 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:33 pm to
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the ball isn’t on a flat path.


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The idea is if you think you are swinging “level” you will naturally be on plane with the ball.


I addressed this. Your natural ability will get you on the plane (very slight upswing) with the ball. You don’t need to drop the barrel at the start to get on plane. That is slow as shite. Causes hands to drop, getting jams on a lot of stuff inside and spinning off and running out of bat on anything outside. Your contact areas is so small you are never going to hit consistently. The barrel needs to stay on plan in the zone a long time. The barrel dripping under the hands doesn’t allow this. Your only move to hit is to swing up and roll over. And I’m talking major barrel drops here. Like I said, if you think you are level your barrel will get on plan (very slightly under the ball).
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15251 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:35 pm to
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ther approach is isolating the hands. The base, driving the knee, and hip rotation dictate more of the swing path than the hands do alone.


Linear and rotational can both work as long as the front knee stiffens up at impact. Have to have something to push back against to get torque and that upper half rubber band action.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37319 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:41 pm to
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The barrel needs to stay on plan in the zone a long time. The barrel dripping under the hands doesn’t allow this. Your only move to hit is to swing up and roll over. And I’m talking major barrel drops here.


this isnt true btw. as a feel sure, but video shows the barrel does get below the hands

go look at any good hitter at contact. vertical bat angle should be in the 25 degree range optimally. but if the ball is low still have to tilt and VBA will be much greater.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37319 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:42 pm to
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Linear and rotational can both work as long as the front knee stiffens up at impact. Have to have something to push back against to get torque and that upper half rubber band action.


linear hitting sucks, if you have to hit like that, need to spend more time in the weight room
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15251 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:46 pm to
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this isnt true btw. as a feel sure, but video shows the barrel does get below the hands go look at any good hitter at contact. vertical bat angle should be in the 25 degree range optimally. but if the ball is low still have to tilt and VBA will be much greater.


At the start of the swing genius. I’m not talking about at contact.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37319 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:50 pm to
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At the start of the swing genius. I’m not talking about at contact.



i dunno anybody that teaches that, even teacherman doesnt teach a barrel dump. who you talking about that teaches that?
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
177184 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:51 pm to
ya'll mother frickers are putting tons of local instructors out of business with all this knowledge being dropped up in here.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37319 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:53 pm to
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ya'll mother frickers are putting tons of local instructors out of business with all this knowledge being dropped up in here


there are some good ones out there but frick man there are a lot that just steal money.

same thing every time, no technology used


just come in...hit off the tee for 10 min, 10 min of front toss and then 10 min of overhand....no instruction whole time....that will be $50

not gonna lie i was a sucker for that for a while.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15251 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:54 pm to
It’s no so much as being taught, it’s what kids think they are hearing. So they burn in a barell dump into their swing and it is a pain in the arse to break.

Trying to get their hands right, that knob gets above the pitchers head and you can’t do anything.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37319 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:55 pm to
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It’s no so much as being taught, it’s what kids think they are hearing. So they burn in a barell dump into their swing and it is a pain in the arse to break.

Trying to get their hands right, that knob gets above the pitchers head and you can’t do anything.


well we are in agreement there for sure.

like i said earlier...if we sat down and talked and watched video...bet we would agree on 98% of things

except ground balls...they still suck
Posted by WalkerTrash
Walker
Member since Jul 2011
155 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:59 pm to
Man hitting has changed a lot since I played in the 90's. Cell phone cameras have been a game changer for us. Now to play devil's advocate one thing that I noticed with younger kids when I was coaching was that some kids when trying to turn the barrel they would end up dragging the back elbow which we had to fix.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37319 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:05 pm to
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trying to turn the barrel they would end up dragging the back elbow which we had to fix.




never ending fight until they get really strong

i will say a heavy bag and this

for 25-30 swings a day has been a life saver for this.

really really like flat bats and the rebels rack from baseball rebellion too. they have the bat drag buster that is good to for hitting front toss and tee work for breaking the elbow drag habit.


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Cell phone cameras have been a game changer for us


yep, big time. i like the bat sensor but cell phone and the onform app is a true game changer. used to use the coaches eye but app went away so use that now....complete game changer


i will say, any instructor that doesnt use a camera and is constantly trying to fix mechanical issues......run, run big time.
Posted by WalkerTrash
Walker
Member since Jul 2011
155 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:12 pm to
LSU777 you left off us LP boys earlier talking about Baton Rouge. District 5-5A is going to be a beast to win. DS, LO, and Walker should have some pretty good teams coming up.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
7174 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:18 pm to
What bat sensor do you use?
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