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re: What are people living on?
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:09 pm to armsdealer
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:09 pm to armsdealer
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Employers have had the upper hand for such a long time that they no longer know how to recruit, value, and retain employees.
This.
Saw a posting on Indeed where a company was wanting a welder with 2-3 years experience and preferred one who could weld aluminum. Starting pay $15/hr.
There are some straight up fricking retards running businesses out there.
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Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:09 pm to lsujunky
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I think this is a big part of it.
As well as working moms not returning to the workforce.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:16 pm to HempHead
It is glorious
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:19 pm to armsdealer
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contracts
That is a big issue that corporations havent solved.
The workforce has turned into mercenaries.
Economic shifts across the country drive demand. Nurses, insurance adjustors, and even teachers are refusing to be employed but are hiring their services in an open auction to the highest bidder. They are getting oaid 2.5 to 3 times the employee rate to service the high demand areas. And they can walk away for 1 to 2 to 6 months at a time and join back into the same contract for hire workforce to that same demand for their services.
Of course an industry will struggle to fill spots when they hire contract employees to work alongside regular employees. All it does is advertise the contract work across their payroll.
(What is worse as a consumer is that contract employees are not better for customer service or performance delivery. They dont know culture nor do they care about performance reviews).
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:23 pm to doya2
quote:yes they can, they are just unwilling to pay the higher wages people want
Businesses can’t find employees
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:23 pm to Forever
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Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:24 pm to deltaland
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Ton of boomers retired during covid and aren’t going back to work
Supply of workers isn’t there with smaller generations and lower birth rates
Remember people who would bitch about how they couldn’t get ahead and move up because “boomers” were holding onto their jobs so hard and preventing it?
Where are all these people celebrating this movement now?
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:25 pm to meansonny
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The workforce has turned into mercenaries.
Well they learned from the best.
Corporations threw loyalty and benefits out the door when the could, and now they are paying for it on the back end, and as you said, the regular employees are questioning what their loyalty has gotten them.
On a more macro level, I think people have become more savvy about how much upper management is grossly overcompensated compared to anything they are doing to earn that profit. These CEOs earning 10s of millions per year are SOL without the skilled labor doing the work. Their compensation has come to be seen as obscene and those skilled peeps are leaving to start their own LLC and forcing the companies to hire them back for multiples of compensation for the same work they were doing.
This post was edited on 4/3/22 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:27 pm to doya2
I can tell you at my company, lower level employees are leaving in droves due to pay inequality. During Covid, my company raised pay for all hourly workers and new hires to $15/hr. The employees who were already making $16,$17 an hr didn't get any bump. So the lowest of the low got $4/hr and $5/hr raises out of the blue, but not the others. Made for some very disgruntled workers and those guys are leaving left and right. I'm middle management and hear that they can go make $20/hr at Chic Fil A with no stress. This is a Fortune 500(almost 200)Medical Company btw.
I agree with the guys in distribution, logistics, lab, etc who have worked hard for years with 25 cent raises to get to $16 or $17 an hr and now every slap dick got a $5 raise essentially, but not them. Upper management doesn't care. I'm dealing with shortages in my department and HR is just hiring anyone who will apply. Then most of these people don't pan out(call out constantly, lazy, etc). I'd rather pay known good employees more money than have to deal with this bullshite
I agree with the guys in distribution, logistics, lab, etc who have worked hard for years with 25 cent raises to get to $16 or $17 an hr and now every slap dick got a $5 raise essentially, but not them. Upper management doesn't care. I'm dealing with shortages in my department and HR is just hiring anyone who will apply. Then most of these people don't pan out(call out constantly, lazy, etc). I'd rather pay known good employees more money than have to deal with this bullshite
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:27 pm to dbeck
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There are some straight up fricking retards running businesses out there.
My favorite are the postings with grammatical errors that emphasize that they want someone to "SHOW UP ON TIME AND BE WILLING TO LEARN" and "NO DRAMA OR PACK YOUR BAGS".
Okay, buster. I think I'll apply elsewhere. You obviously have poor judgement.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:28 pm to doya2
What jobs? Shitty fast food and service jobs where they don’t make any money anyways? The market for decent paying jobs is absolute shite right now.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:30 pm to drichtigers
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The market for decent paying jobs is absolute shite right now.
Not if you have even a modicum of intelligence or work ethic.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:30 pm to doya2
retirement and social security
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:31 pm to PassingThrough
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Well they learned from the best.
I disagree
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Corporations threw loyalty and benefits out the door when the could,
Not really.
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now they are paying for it on the back end
Employers throwing shite against the wall (contract employees) is what is backfiring.
Labor costs are up and quality/efficiency are down, and more and more employees are thinking they are getting screwed over because a bunch of contractors are getting paid more and held to a lower standard in the chair right beside them.
Remember... businesses do not pay costs. Consumers do.
Businesses have been mismanaged and misjudged the environment the past 5 years. I blame leadership (quotas? DEI? Peter principle during tight labor markets?)
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:32 pm to SingleMalt1973
quote:Sign down the street said, "For Rent, Studio, $1500/month first and last and 1 month security"
Sign out front said now hiring $14/ hour no experience needed.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:33 pm to J Murdah
quote:Bingo - especially in the service industry. A solid chunk of those workers left for the expanding warehouse industry because they pay 3 or 4x's what the shite restaurants are paying and giving them insurance/benefits. Restaurants want cooks to be there 6 days a week for 6 hours a night for minimum wage, -or- work in a warehouse starting with atypical grunt labor 3 or 4 days a week full time which means they can spend more nights at home with their families.
yes they can, they are just unwilling to pay the higher wages people want
The workers are giving you and restaurant owners the finger and telling ya to cook your own steaks.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:36 pm to doya2
You have to clarify. Some dude working a dead end McDonald’s job has more options right now to get a higher pay per hour. There is some kernel of truth to getting more from unemployment benefits etc. but that is an over blown narrative. shite hourly jobs have to adjust and pass on the costs unfortunately
With my industry, we cannot higher engineers quick enough. There are more positions than qualified talent.
With my industry, we cannot higher engineers quick enough. There are more positions than qualified talent.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:36 pm to Centinel
That doesn’t even make any sense. How could an employer possibly know your work ethic until you’re on the payroll actually working for them? I own my own business and have people applying all the time. We have no more room for employees and all of my friends and associates are telling me the same thing.
This post was edited on 4/3/22 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:58 pm to drichtigers
The issue isn’t that they aren’t working. A lot of employees are working virtually and getting paid double. In Louisiana, a know a teacher that left the profession now works from home making double teaching online to foreign students. I hate to tell the school districts but the amount of teachers leaving the profession last year isn’t nearly what it will be this year. The new pay scale in donaldsonville will become the norm in every district.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 6:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Thats how you get hyper inflation.
The inflation is from the increase in the money supply NOT what people make. Wages are down historically and yet we still have high inflation??? The truth is businesses can charge more without hurting demand, the government broke the part of the equation that is suppose to regulate inflation by creating an ungodly amount of money.
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