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re: WTF happened to JonBenet?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 10:35 pm to HappyTownTiger
Posted on 9/20/16 at 10:35 pm to HappyTownTiger
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My theory is that John got into some illegal shady stuff where someone had something serious over his head. Attempted to extort his Christmas bonus from him by saying he will take his daughter if he didn't pay up. They attempted to take her, but the suitcase wouldn't fit through the window. They killed her instead. John, knowing that he couldn't point the finger at who did it, staged the crime scene and Patsy wrote the letter. They didn't kill her but they couldn't tell the cops who did.
In that scenario, what father doesn't hunt down the person/s that did it and dole out justice himself...slowly? It wouldn't even have to be my child to get me to do that. I would for any nieces, nephews, close friends kids, etc.
edit: if you are involved in something shady enough that you don't come clean to reveal your daughters rapist and killer then you are involved in something shady enough that you would have no problem torturing the guy and offing him yourself
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 10:39 pm
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:20 pm to fatboydave
What the detectives said today re who the perp was is probably accurate. I believe that the Boulder police solved it years ago. Colorado had some law that protected children from criminal prosecution so there's no point in dragging it out from what I understand.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 7:48 am
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:24 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
The proof that the parents know who killed her is right on her tombstone. Don't know how we all missed it.
As it was claimed the Ramseys got home from the party at the Whites around 9:30 or so, Patsy and John stayed up to nearly 11:30 or so, maybe later, doing various, among others helping Burke put together some toy, etc.
So, by their confession to the police the abduction, and subsequent murder would have had to have happened after midnight, or on the 26th.
But take a closer look at the tombstone....
As it was claimed the Ramseys got home from the party at the Whites around 9:30 or so, Patsy and John stayed up to nearly 11:30 or so, maybe later, doing various, among others helping Burke put together some toy, etc.
So, by their confession to the police the abduction, and subsequent murder would have had to have happened after midnight, or on the 26th.
But take a closer look at the tombstone....
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:43 pm to East Coast Band
John's argument about that was that the ransom note said the kidnappers would contact John via telephone "tomorrow," so that meant JonBenét was killed the day before, the 25th.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:34 am to efrad
And, that she was killed at Christmas so people wouldn't forget.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 6:20 am to Gris Gris
A couple of things don't make sense to me. Maybe I'm missing parts of the story.
First, why would a ransom be 118,000? Who throws out a random number like that? This isn't the showcase showdown on The Price is Right. If I'm going to hold a rich family's daughter ransom, I'm saying 100,000 or better yet, 500,000. Not 118,000. The lowball amount is suspicious as well.
Second, they issue the threat, but they kill her anyway. Why go through the trouble at all if the main reason you're going through the trouble (to extort money) is now shot to hell? That makes no sense to me.
The brother did it. I would like to get him in his sleep and take him somewhere and water board him until he finally confessed.
First, why would a ransom be 118,000? Who throws out a random number like that? This isn't the showcase showdown on The Price is Right. If I'm going to hold a rich family's daughter ransom, I'm saying 100,000 or better yet, 500,000. Not 118,000. The lowball amount is suspicious as well.
Second, they issue the threat, but they kill her anyway. Why go through the trouble at all if the main reason you're going through the trouble (to extort money) is now shot to hell? That makes no sense to me.
The brother did it. I would like to get him in his sleep and take him somewhere and water board him until he finally confessed.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 6:39 am to RealityTiger
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The brother did it.
Creepy AF
Posted on 9/21/16 at 7:55 am to RealityTiger
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First, why would a ransom be 118,000? Who throws out a random number like that? This isn't the showcase showdown on The Price is Right. If I'm going to hold a rich family's daughter ransom, I'm saying 100,000 or better yet, 500,000. Not 118,000. The lowball amount is suspicious as well.
Not only does a kidnapper not demand $118K, they wouldn't demand $110K, either. A kidnapper would ask for a nice round figure. $100,000.
People don't brag in exact numbers, either. Any time someone has bragged about their bonus to me, they've rounded it off. John himself wouldn't have told anyone $118. He'd probably have said "nice $100,000 bonus!" or "I got a six figure bonus!"
Let's examine all the possibilities of who could have known the exact figure:
- Someone in the company? He worked in tech in the '90s. Tech in the '90s was exclusively the domain of nerds. This is before it became a playground for "cool guy" sales and marketing people. Do you see some granola-eating code monkey crawling through the window to abduct a kid for ransom? Would a higher up with a lot of money take THAT chance?
- A family member? They left their family behind in Georgia. Someone's going to drive, what, 20 hours to kidnap their relative?
- A neighbor in their circle of friends? They lived in a very rich part of a very rich town. That kind of person can fall on hard times, but they're not really kidnappers. That type of person embezzles, or comes up with a pyramid scheme, or commits wire fraud, or some other, white collar crime.
So really, given the people who could have known, there's not anyone that seems at all like the type. And that's after the ridiculousness of someone asking for an exact number like that in the first place, which no one would do.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 7:59 am
Posted on 9/21/16 at 8:15 am to Jeff Boomhauer
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In that scenario, what father doesn't hunt down the person/s that did it and dole out justice himself...slowly? It wouldn't even have to be my child to get me to do that. I would for any nieces, nephews, close friends kids, etc.if you are involved in something shady enough that you don't come clean to reveal your daughters rapist and killer then you are involved in something shady enough that you would have no problem torturing the guy and offing him yourself
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:03 am to Cooter Davenport
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Not only does a kidnapper not demand $118K, they wouldn't demand $110K, either
I'm just gonna throw this out there.
Suspecting the family did it, they knew they could get their hands on this amount of cash (recent bonus) so they could 'act' like they were going along with the ransom demand; in case the FBI wanted to arrange it
Any amount higher than that would have taken some arranging, and would have allowed PD more time to focus on the case??
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:23 pm to RobbBobb
It is a little perplexing to figure out what the ultimate plan of the Ramseys was. Obviously, the ransom note was to deflect, but why bother putting in all these specific details about what denominations they wanted the money, use a proper size attache case, withdraw money from your account (not just get the money), exact times they were going to call, etc.
Had they thought at the time of writing to actually go through all the demands such as NOT calling the police, friends, and going through and rounding up this comparitively small amount of ransom AND THEN call the police? Then what?
And why did they decide to call 911 at the exact time they did? What was going to be the plan then?
Had they thought at the time of writing to actually go through all the demands such as NOT calling the police, friends, and going through and rounding up this comparitively small amount of ransom AND THEN call the police? Then what?
And why did they decide to call 911 at the exact time they did? What was going to be the plan then?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:30 pm to RobbBobb
Man the whole thing is planned out so sloppy, yet this thing is still unsolved. The 2 night special convinced me more than anything that it was the brother.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:07 pm to East Coast Band
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Obviously, the ransom note was to deflect, but why bother putting in all these specific details about what denominations they wanted the money, use a proper size attache case, withdraw money from your account (not just get the money), exact times they were going to call, etc.
I think it was the CBS special that said all that extra stuff was just a sales job. By getting specific and repeating threats, the writer thought they were making it more legitimate.
They said that ransom notes typically make their point and/or demands rather brief. The Lindbergh baby note as an example.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:30 pm to nvasil1
His interview is just beyond bizarre.
When he was talking about her performing you could sense a lot of resentment. "She wasn't shy".
100% positive it was him. Most likely an accident but he def. did something.
The intruder part is a complete load of shite. There would be so much more evidence if that were the case. Especially in something so high profile.
When he was talking about her performing you could sense a lot of resentment. "She wasn't shy".
100% positive it was him. Most likely an accident but he def. did something.
The intruder part is a complete load of shite. There would be so much more evidence if that were the case. Especially in something so high profile.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:33 pm to STLhog
You ever notice that he is constantly smiling and giggling in all the interviews about her? Dude that's your baby sister.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:47 pm to RobbBobb
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I'm just gonna throw this out there.
Suspecting the family did it, they knew they could get their hands on this amount of cash (recent bonus) so they could 'act' like they were going along with the ransom demand; in case the FBI wanted to arrange it
Any amount higher than that would have taken some arranging, and would have allowed PD more time to focus on the case??
Well... yeah. My point is that it HAD to be the family. The $118,000 bit is just the coup de grâce of ridiculous, stupid stuff that no real kidnapper would have ever written; among which are "we are a foreign faction", when no foreigner speaks that way, "attache case" when only really bourgeois Americans (like the Ramseys) or Brits would say that, "don't try to grow a brain John" which is a dumb movie line, the overall length, when ransom letters are never long, the intentional misspelling of basic words but correct spelling of longer words that are very frequently misspelled, and on and on.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:57 pm to STLhog
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When he was talking about her performing you could sense a lot of resentment. "She wasn't shy".
Another answer I found interesting about the pageants was when he was asked if he "minded them". He said he didn't because he got to be with his mom.
It just sounded like a kid who was starving for the same attention his sister got.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:19 pm to nvasil1
I'm leaning more to the brother doing it. But I don't think I buy the bit about the parents doing the garrote. Even if the end result is trying to keep that little weird fricker from being exposed, I don't think the parents, either one, could wrap that rope around her, the favorite of the two kids, and tighten it enough to cause that damage.
The parents absolutely know the motive behind what happened. They may not have killed her but they do know why it happened whether it was the brother or someone else.
There was more going on inside that house than they wanted exposed to the public. Burke may have been abusive to her, sexually abusive, maybe the parents abused Burke. Possibly illegal business practices. Something was going on they didn't want exposed so they did everything they could to divert as much attention to the outside as possible.
The DA basically letting them off the hook makes me think more and more he was persuaded by the Ramsey's somehow. Also could be that the DA knew it was accident involving Burke and they agreed to not ruin his life and the reputation of the Ramseys.
The parents absolutely know the motive behind what happened. They may not have killed her but they do know why it happened whether it was the brother or someone else.
There was more going on inside that house than they wanted exposed to the public. Burke may have been abusive to her, sexually abusive, maybe the parents abused Burke. Possibly illegal business practices. Something was going on they didn't want exposed so they did everything they could to divert as much attention to the outside as possible.
The DA basically letting them off the hook makes me think more and more he was persuaded by the Ramsey's somehow. Also could be that the DA knew it was accident involving Burke and they agreed to not ruin his life and the reputation of the Ramseys.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:21 pm to fatboydave
She had been sexually abused by her brother for quite a while which is why she often wet the bed and showed signs of sexual abuse in her autopsy. Her brother accidentally killed her and her parents covered it up.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:24 pm to The Tom Arnold
If it was the brother, he did the garrote too.
I refuse to believe the parents did that to a child they really didn't want dead.
I refuse to believe the parents did that to a child they really didn't want dead.
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