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re: Good Lord. From Gulf Shores this morning....
Posted on 6/4/10 at 11:11 pm to Mudminnow
Posted on 6/4/10 at 11:11 pm to Mudminnow
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Yes, which is mind boggling there hasnt been much resistance and anger towards BP.
I think a lot of people are in "frick it" mode. This shite storm is coming and being super pissed off isn't going to help anybody. I think the attitude here (northwest florida), was first sad/ say goodbye to beaches for the time being, now lets go clean this mother up.
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Posted on 6/4/10 at 11:42 pm to jennBN
With all due respect, I fear that more than a few beach residents lives will be screwed by this disaster. Ecologically speaking the Marshes will be far more difficult to clean. Economically all of the gulf will suffer. People's way of life will change.
JennBB, I appreciate your respect in your response and I agree that all along the coast will suffer, but those that own condo's and are involved in tourism can survive just like they rebuild post hurricane. However, the families that make up the culture that is South Louisiana and other fishing communities could be devistated for Years. That is the tragedy. Not this year or next but the next 10 years and a generation, maybe more. Hell maybe less. Who knows how this effects the fishing communities long term. The fact is thus mess is an ecological and cultural disaster not just an economic disaster. That is the "Rub". Regardless of your story this sucks but my position is the beaches can be cleaned over the next year or two, but the lasting effects on the marsh, fishing, families and ecological effect is potentially long term and tramatic. Having said that, I really am proud that that these communities are asking for help so "They can help themselves and not sitting around crying for someone to come in and take care of them like we saw during Katrina.
Sorry for the long rant and potentially bad grammer but I am using my blackberry and well...... You know how that goes..
JennBB, I appreciate your respect in your response and I agree that all along the coast will suffer, but those that own condo's and are involved in tourism can survive just like they rebuild post hurricane. However, the families that make up the culture that is South Louisiana and other fishing communities could be devistated for Years. That is the tragedy. Not this year or next but the next 10 years and a generation, maybe more. Hell maybe less. Who knows how this effects the fishing communities long term. The fact is thus mess is an ecological and cultural disaster not just an economic disaster. That is the "Rub". Regardless of your story this sucks but my position is the beaches can be cleaned over the next year or two, but the lasting effects on the marsh, fishing, families and ecological effect is potentially long term and tramatic. Having said that, I really am proud that that these communities are asking for help so "They can help themselves and not sitting around crying for someone to come in and take care of them like we saw during Katrina.
Sorry for the long rant and potentially bad grammer but I am using my blackberry and well...... You know how that goes..
Posted on 6/4/10 at 11:54 pm to LSU0596
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LSU0596
Just so you know, I don't deal with the tourism aspect of Gulf Shores and Orange Beach. I live there and work just like everyone else. However, one has to wonder if comparing our plights between multiple states just detracts from the larger issue at hand. If energy is spent deciding who got the shorter end of the stick the real tragedy gets buried. All in all, I want the Marshes to survive because it ultimately spawns the life of the gulf, I want the fisherman to fish because gulf seafood rocks, I want the condo owners to rent their condos so I can bum beers off of tourist at my pool, and most of all I want this to end and to be over because it is painful to be a part of. I hope your family and friends find away to rise above, sir. We will be trying to do the same in Bama.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:24 am to jennBN
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jennBN
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LSU0596
Y'all are in the "Exactly the same but completely different" zone...
It only takes a year or two for some of the small tourism-based folks to end up in the same boat (no pun intended) as the fishermen - Especially if their property or whatnot had not been fully paid for yet. You could just as easily say "At least you own your boat and can fish elsewhere, now we have nothing."
This whole thing makes me sick.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 10:53 am to Sofa King Crimson
Posted on 6/5/10 at 11:05 am to jennBN
"However, one has to wonder if comparing our plights between multiple states just detracts from the larger issue at hand. If energy is spent deciding who got the shorter end of the stick the real tragedy gets buried."
I totally agree with your point. The Gulf states need to all get together and fight this. However, I do believe the stronger emphasis needs to be put on the areas that provide life and thus food. I just can't imagine what it would be like if we had a dead zone for the next 4 to 5 years.
Florida, Ala, Miss and LA all have areas that support the food chain that are being threatened by this.
At any rate, I still plan on hitting Navaree with my family again next May. Hopefully it will be clean by then, if not I'll pull out the ole tennis shoes and hit the beach anyway.
Later
I totally agree with your point. The Gulf states need to all get together and fight this. However, I do believe the stronger emphasis needs to be put on the areas that provide life and thus food. I just can't imagine what it would be like if we had a dead zone for the next 4 to 5 years.
Florida, Ala, Miss and LA all have areas that support the food chain that are being threatened by this.
At any rate, I still plan on hitting Navaree with my family again next May. Hopefully it will be clean by then, if not I'll pull out the ole tennis shoes and hit the beach anyway.
Later
Posted on 6/5/10 at 11:34 am to LSU0596
Oil on a beach looks bad, and has a real economic and psychological impact, but there is not a long term ecological or economic impact. You just scoop up the oil bag it and move on.
However oil in the marsh has a devastating ecological, economic and psychological impact that will take years if ever to completely resolve. There is just no way to effectively clean oil out of mud flats and marsh grass.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:22 pm to redstick13
It's not the oil, it's the dispersant.
People letting those kids play out there are crazy.
People letting those kids play out there are crazy.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:40 pm to ItTakesAThief
let alone especially here in Louisiana where the land is disappearing at an alarming rate. Plants die, turns to mud flat and washes away and soon becomes open water.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 9:50 pm to yurintroubl
quote:You know it's tragic to lose your way of life. Louisiana people are no strangers to that, esp. since Katrina. So here we go again. But folks, let's remember others also have ways of life that are being pounded right now. There are fishermen all along the Gulf of Mexico who made a living on the beautiful waters that are now stinking with oil. And the tourism industry, from Grand Isle to the Keys is taking a big hit, or soon will, once the gunk washes up and the BP hired guns go home and leave it there for Obama to gawk at and squawk at.
It only takes a year or two for some of the small tourism-based folks to end up in the same boat (no pun intended) as the fishermen - Especially if their property or whatnot had not been fully paid for yet. You could just as easily say "At least you own your boat and can fish elsewhere, now we have nothing."
And then, consider the pelicans, the oil-soaked, unrescued ones. And the dolphins, the turtles, the gulls, the herons and egrets, the terns, otters, and manatees, the fish, oysters, shrimp and crabs. People without jobs, meet creatures without life. All courtesy of BP, and the government safety regulators who didn't regulate.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 11:55 am to Mudminnow
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Nah, I've seen the pictures and talk to several people. Its the light phase coming ashore now. What lurks beneath the surface is even scarier!
Thanks Sunshine
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:03 pm to JawjaTigah
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You know it's tragic to lose your way of life. Louisiana people are no strangers to that, esp. since Katrina. So here we go again. But folks, let's remember others also have ways of life that are being pounded right now. There are fishermen all along the Gulf of Mexico who made a living on the beautiful waters that are now stinking with oil. And the tourism industry, from Grand Isle to the Keys is taking a big hit, or soon will, once the gunk washes up and the BP hired guns go home and leave it there for Obama to gawk at and squawk at.
And then, consider the pelicans, the oil-soaked, unrescued ones. And the dolphins, the turtles, the gulls, the herons and egrets, the terns, otters, and manatees, the fish, oysters, shrimp and crabs. People without jobs, meet creatures without life. All courtesy of BP, and the government safety regulators who didn't regulate.
Great post. You summed it up.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 1:45 pm to genuineLSUtiger
For the people who are in Gulf Shores is there a bad smell due to the oil? We are going to Destin in July, I don't get in the water anyway, I sit on the beach drink beer read books and babe watch.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 2:01 pm to PANTHER
Yes, dependent upon the day and the wind there is an oil smell. (At least coming from Fort Morgan there is.)
Posted on 6/6/10 at 2:05 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
wow this is what I feared.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 2:13 pm to Sofa King Crimson
A GD shame!
Posted on 6/6/10 at 3:39 pm to ellasue2
1st post, have lurked for awhile. I think I have a unique perspective...born and raised in SW La, family in oilfield and seafood industry. I have lived on the AL gulf coast for over 20 years and I am in the tourism industry. This crisis does not know any state borders. What happens in one state affects every other one. While the marshes may be more difficult to clean than the beaches, the economic impact is just as devastating to all. Stop to think for one minute that a large part of our tourism dollars come from those very La people who will be out of work. And where do we go and spend our money when we need a quick get away? New Orleans and Biloxi. We support each other with our tourism dollars and tax money. And if one area is doing poorly, then we all suffer. Many of our condos here along the AL gulf coast are owned by folks from LA who will now have a hard time meeting their notes. What happens in LA has far reaching effects and to think that we will recover quicker just because we can get it cleaned easier is a mistake.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 3:43 pm to ALTigerGirl
excellent first post and welcome aboard
Posted on 6/6/10 at 3:52 pm to ALTigerGirl
Great post.
Also remember that Alabama's coastline includes more than "beaches" most are familiar with.
Also remember that Alabama's coastline includes more than "beaches" most are familiar with.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 3:57 pm to ALTigerGirl
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ALTigerGirl
Well said! I've been saying the same thing. Every car on I-10 east this time of year is usually from LA heading to Lower Ala or the Fl panhandle.. to spend mega tourism $$$
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