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re: "I want assurances this will never happen again before drilling...
Posted on 6/7/10 at 12:50 pm to Fat Bastard
Posted on 6/7/10 at 12:50 pm to Fat Bastard
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this will cripple texas, louisiana, and mobile bay, this does not affect just OFFSHORE WORKERS! It affects all workers inland also who work on equipment that goes offshore like sleds, plets, trees, BOP's, jumpers, SCR's, SCT's, and casing strings, drill strings, etc. this AFFECTS EVERYONE! all the way to the truck drivers who deliver materials and equipment to the fitter and welders to the inspectors and supervisors, project managers, roustabouts, operators, engineers,dispatch guys, you name it and will affect them in some way.
Dont forget about the boat/barge companies, fuel docks, shipyards....etc.
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:05 pm to TJG210
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TJG210
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please before you make all of these assertions about how unsafe and unregulated things are, please state your qualifications to say such a thing. Have you ever been offshore? Have you worked in the industry? Or are you going off of wisdom you've learned from watching the nightly news?
I work in the industry, have been offshore, will continue to go offshore. I am not a driller, I have to walk down the hall to discuss drilling with experts in the field.
I cannot for anything in the world fathom why you would not want BOP's that work and emergency plans that are implementable.
People lives depend on the BOP's and peoples jobs depend on the plans....Use your brain, sir.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:10 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I cannot for anything in the world fathom why you would not want BOP's that work and emergency plans that are implementable.
Fine, but please tell when you're dealing with anything mechanical you can make it 100% reliable.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:12 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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please state your qualifications to say such a thing. Have you ever been offshore? Have you worked in the industry?
i lol'd
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:20 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I know a guy who is scrambling to find temp work for his rigs (either in Mexico (Southern GOM)or doing workover in US waters). They are rushing a redesigned BOP to be commissioned ASAP and will be one of the first back in the Deepwater GOM. They plan to take advantage of the exorbitant day rates available to the first drillers back. They expect a windfall. They will bring their workers with them (those that want to go).
Did you read that on a STOP card?
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:50 pm to TJG210
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100% reliable
I've been trying to be civil but if you are just going to make shite up? I guess I can resort to name calling and personal attacks.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:50 pm to mylsuhat
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i lol'd
I thought I handled it well, yet I'm still attacked.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:54 pm to redstick13
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redstick13
Is it more plausible that rigs go to Mexico to drill or Brazil? I know which fits your agenda but I also know what I've been told. I guess it depends on where the contracts are. The MOB costs to go to Brazil and Africa as well as high day rates when drilling is resumed in US will make Mexico attractive, will it not?
What is a stop card?
I'll admit I ad-libbed on the on the windfall part, sorry.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:58 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
The rigs are going anyway. They won't hang around for 6 months not making any day rate only to find they have to drop significant money on retro-fits just to drill in the GOM.
The only way to keep them would be to lift the moratorium and implement the new rules/regulations on the fly.
The only way to keep them would be to lift the moratorium and implement the new rules/regulations on the fly.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 2:08 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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The MOB costs to go to Brazil and Africa as well as high day rates when drilling is resumed in US will make Mexico attractive, will it not?
The problem with drilling in Mexico is P-Mex. NO ONE wants to deal with them. They are very slow to pay their bills and want the cheapest rigs that they can get.
Many of the current rig contracts are with companies that have interest in other areas like Brazil and West Africa. It makes sense for those companies to keep the long contracts and move the rigs to the areas where they already have leases.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 2:12 pm to redstick13
They will certainly not sit idle, I agree.
They will find other work in this order in my opinion:
1) workover in GOM
2) Mexico
3) Brazil/Africa
But this all depends on where they can get a contract and at what price.
The real kicker in the GOM is whether new/unfinished wells can be completed under categorical exclusions from the EIS. If not, new EIS will be required for each well/lease/sub-unit, whatever. That will be much more arduous than redesign of BOP's or implementing new regs, which I agree CAN BE DONE on the fly. Unfortunately I see very value in the entire EIS process, JMHO.
If I had to read the tea leaves right now, I would say 1) re-design BOP's 2) re-evaluate the OSRP's and you will begin to see drilling again. But not untill this well is under control. If we lose our sanity in regards to the NEPA process, that could be the death nell.
They will find other work in this order in my opinion:
1) workover in GOM
2) Mexico
3) Brazil/Africa
But this all depends on where they can get a contract and at what price.
The real kicker in the GOM is whether new/unfinished wells can be completed under categorical exclusions from the EIS. If not, new EIS will be required for each well/lease/sub-unit, whatever. That will be much more arduous than redesign of BOP's or implementing new regs, which I agree CAN BE DONE on the fly. Unfortunately I see very value in the entire EIS process, JMHO.
If I had to read the tea leaves right now, I would say 1) re-design BOP's 2) re-evaluate the OSRP's and you will begin to see drilling again. But not untill this well is under control. If we lose our sanity in regards to the NEPA process, that could be the death nell.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 2:14 pm to TigerFred
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TigerFred
Thaks for the insight. That does not make me feel good.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 2:59 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:Required re-design of BOPs will NOT be trivial or quick. Too few manufacturers with too few facilities to refit ALL BOPs in a serial manner. Though it will be the likely result...
If I had to read the tea leaves right now, I would say 1) re-design BOP's 2) re-evaluate the OSRP's and you will begin to see drilling again. But not untill this well is under control. If we lose our sanity in regards to the NEPA process, that could be the death nell.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:03 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I've been trying to be civil but if you are just going to make shite up?
How am I making things up? It sounds like obama wants a 100% foolproof plan before opening things back up, and tell me when you have mechanization involved how that is possible.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:09 pm to Taxing Authority
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Required re-design of BOPs will NOT be trivial or quick. Too few manufacturers with too few facilities to refit ALL BOPs in a serial manner. Though it will be the likely result...
Not to mention you are likely looking at a significant overhaul. New shear rams, composite material maybe? Complete overhaul of the hydraulic systems to boost pressure ratings. Addition of more redundancy in the activation system. Etc, etc, etc.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:14 pm to TJG210
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Obama wants a 100% foolproof plan
Well I thought you were talking about me......but I haven't seen him say that either.
Assurances that it will not happen =/= 100% foolproof
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:21 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:I can not for anything in the world fathom how you could get anyone to work on a rig where it was known that these conditions exist, nor hide it from everyone on the rig.
I cannot for anything in the world fathom why you would not want BOP's that work and emergency plans that are implementable.
Use YOUR brain, sir.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:53 pm to coloradoBengal
Have you been paying attention AT ALL????
This is exactly what has happened. The BP OSRP was apparently a paper exercise only. The BOP BY FRICKING DESIGN cannot cut throught the joint sections of the drill pipe. If there is a tool between the shear ram, you can absolutely forget it. This is known. It is the reality. And people still fight to go work offshore.
This is exactly what has happened. The BP OSRP was apparently a paper exercise only. The BOP BY FRICKING DESIGN cannot cut throught the joint sections of the drill pipe. If there is a tool between the shear ram, you can absolutely forget it. This is known. It is the reality. And people still fight to go work offshore.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 4:08 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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And people still fight to go work offshore.
But what are the odds of something catastrophic like the Horizon occuring?
Posted on 6/7/10 at 4:10 pm to TJG210
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But what are the odds of something catastrophic like the Horizon occuring?
Exactly.
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