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re: What happened to all the inside information?
Posted on 5/14/10 at 9:28 am to tgrgrd00
Posted on 5/14/10 at 9:28 am to tgrgrd00
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I wouldn't stop posting because people disagree with you or because they are ignorant regarding the subject
It's not because they disagree with me. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me.
In all my posts on this board, I've maintained my stand that while this is certainly not a good thing, it's not the end of the world either. I stand in the middle.
This has nothing to do with me keeping a job. As far as that goes, my job is about as safe as they come in the oilfield because I work in cased hole. We do maintenance on wells that have already been drilled, and unless Obama decides to plug and abandon every single well in the GOM, I'll be okay. frick, even if he decides to do this, I've still got probably 20 years left in the business considering how long it would take to do that.
Is this situation bad? Of course. This is a nightmare for our industry. This is what we plan against. This is never what we want to happen.
The problem is that most people do not understand, or can't comprehend, that we don't go out there at the drop of a hat and decide to drill. It takes months of permits and planning to do so.
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when you have some saying that there is no problems and everything is fine and the spill will cause no harm it paints a bad picture for those on the outside
I completely understand that. But there's extremists on both sides, and the majority of the ones catching shite for doing so, are the ones defending the oil field. Statistically, working offshore is one of the safer and cleaner industries in the USA.
The thing to consider, to really sit down and think about hard, is that nobody knows how bad this may or may not be. Nobody. Not me, not MMS, not GC, not EPA, not BP, and certainly not Joe the school teacher.
If it comes out that BP was negligent because of cutting corners, or shady practices, I'll be the first one here calling for them to be hit, and hit hard. I'll reserve judgement on who to blame when the verdict comes out.
My problem on this board comes from posts like this:
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THIS IS THE WORST SPILL IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD ALREADY!!!!
No stats to back it up, just a wild claim to get peoples attention. And FWIW, factually inaccurate.
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 9:38 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
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I respect how you answered my question. Just wanted peoples opinion that are in my industry as well. Keep on posting cause i like educated posters on both sides of the fence! Keeps everyone honest and makes 4 great conversation. PS I look a lot smarter when i talk to coworkers family or friends
Posted on 5/14/10 at 9:40 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
Fair enough and I understand your point completely. There are polar opposites on this board and most know that the answer is somewhere in the middle. For example there is...
and then as you mentioned...
My point was don't let these extremes keep you from getting good information out there because then all you are left with is the garbage above.
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for all of you who are running for the hills in expectations of the end of the world. Today I did something to put this thing into perspective. I googled the volume of water in the GOM, it is 646 quadrillion gallons of water, that is 6.46x 10 to the seventeenth power gallons of water. What is the ratio of dilution of 5,000-11,000 barrels(55 gallons per barrel) of oil being released from the spill. It is sixty miles offshore, a lot of the oil will drift on the surface for years, never touching land whatsoever. The oil that does reach land will get to a sandy beach. That sand can be sent to a remediation incinerator and the oil burnt off, and the sand returned to a beach, or used to make concrete. Now will you stop crapping in your pants?
and then as you mentioned...
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THIS IS THE WORST SPILL IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD ALREADY!!!!
My point was don't let these extremes keep you from getting good information out there because then all you are left with is the garbage above.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:13 am to tgrgrd00
i have very little inside info, but i do have a lot of relavent oilfield experience (specifically deepwater drilling), so i'm comfortable trying to explain the concepts involved.
also, must of the stuff that has been speculated about is now a matter of public record and is posted on the house energy subcomittee website, including what BP thinks happened to cause the initial kick.
but it is difficult to try and explain these complex concepts in layman's terms.
also, must of the stuff that has been speculated about is now a matter of public record and is posted on the house energy subcomittee website, including what BP thinks happened to cause the initial kick.
but it is difficult to try and explain these complex concepts in layman's terms.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:17 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
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I've only worked in H2S fields 4 times, and on two of the locations, we had to put on repirators for a real event. Scary shite.
Respirators?
You mean Air packs?
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:24 am to LSUDad
in spite of the comment that "h2s levels are rising near venice" i have not seen anything to indicate this was a sour reservoir.
the presence of h2s would have been discovered when the reservoir was drilled, as it would have brought residual h2s to surface. further still, bp took a number of reservoir fluid samples using wireline tools after reaching TD and prior to running the 9 7/8" x 7" casing. analysis of these representative samples would also reveal h2s if it was present.
and before anyone asks, reservoirs do not turn sour (h2s present) on their own. it does happen, but usually in conjunction w/ pumping water into the reservoir from another well in an effort to maintain a desired pressure throughout the reservoir or increase ultimate oil/gas recover.
even if it was present in the reservoir, i would assume the h2s would react w/ the sea water on the way to surface -- however, i'm not a chemist.
the presence of h2s would have been discovered when the reservoir was drilled, as it would have brought residual h2s to surface. further still, bp took a number of reservoir fluid samples using wireline tools after reaching TD and prior to running the 9 7/8" x 7" casing. analysis of these representative samples would also reveal h2s if it was present.
and before anyone asks, reservoirs do not turn sour (h2s present) on their own. it does happen, but usually in conjunction w/ pumping water into the reservoir from another well in an effort to maintain a desired pressure throughout the reservoir or increase ultimate oil/gas recover.
even if it was present in the reservoir, i would assume the h2s would react w/ the sea water on the way to surface -- however, i'm not a chemist.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:36 am to cigtyme
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I respect how you answered my question. Just wanted peoples opinion that are in my industry as well. Keep on posting cause i like educated posters on both sides of the fence! Keeps everyone honest and makes 4 great conversation. PS I look a lot smarter when i talk to coworkers family or friends
To add to that, for every idiot that spouts off, there are tons of people like me, who just listen and learn. Please don't slow up on the inside info!
Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:39 am to oilfieldtiger
As far as the crude, from the info I got its HLS, Heavy La. Sweet.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 11:07 am to BigJim
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To add to that, for every idiot that spouts off, there are tons of people like me, who just listen and learn. Please don't slow up on the inside info!
I just like being updated on people who are in the business no matter what side they are on.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:23 pm to LSUDad
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Respirators?
You mean Air packs?
It certainly would help if I spelled correctly and used proper terminology.
What I should have put was SCBA (self contained breathing aparatus)
Sorry about that. My brain has been scrambled lately. Yesterday there was a 2 hour meeting with HR for the company I contract for. Today, another 2 hour meeting with my boss who I'm actually employed wtih.
Trying to jump fields in the same field at 32 is a bit...tiring.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:33 pm to oilfieldtiger
Thanks to everyone for all the responses. It's good seeing things like that. I'd rather us have this back and forth conversation with good points being stated from both sides, and everyone sharing information rather than have people acting foolish in their posts.
That's why Chicken has the OT.
You've been one of the more vocal ones lately with deeperwater drilling experience. I worked the first 4 years in deepwater for Shell, but to be honest, I was so young and inexperienced, I missed a great opportunity to really learn some valuable information early on. I'm not an engineer, but do play a part in well planning, and I only work cased hole now.
I have a question for you and the others with offshore experience. A question that I haven't heard anyone ask before, from this board, to the media, even to the Congressional Hearing and investigation.
We all know 11 people died, and all of those people were on the rig floor; two mud engineers, 2 tool pushers, a driller, an assistant drilling, pit hand, a shaker hand and 3 roughnecks.
Why weren't there any BP company men on the rig floor?
MMS and OSHA regs mandate that at any time you're taking a kick (right now, that's the only true fact that we know about this, besides the fail safe systems not working) a company representative HAS to be on the rig floor, either on the accumulator, or the choke/kill, or just directing.
They took a kick the day before (I've seen several of the previous days reports, and hole conditions were an ongoing problem), and were taking one at the time, and no company representative from BP was on the rig floor.
That's why Chicken has the OT.
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oilfieldtiger
You've been one of the more vocal ones lately with deeperwater drilling experience. I worked the first 4 years in deepwater for Shell, but to be honest, I was so young and inexperienced, I missed a great opportunity to really learn some valuable information early on. I'm not an engineer, but do play a part in well planning, and I only work cased hole now.
I have a question for you and the others with offshore experience. A question that I haven't heard anyone ask before, from this board, to the media, even to the Congressional Hearing and investigation.
We all know 11 people died, and all of those people were on the rig floor; two mud engineers, 2 tool pushers, a driller, an assistant drilling, pit hand, a shaker hand and 3 roughnecks.
Why weren't there any BP company men on the rig floor?
MMS and OSHA regs mandate that at any time you're taking a kick (right now, that's the only true fact that we know about this, besides the fail safe systems not working) a company representative HAS to be on the rig floor, either on the accumulator, or the choke/kill, or just directing.
They took a kick the day before (I've seen several of the previous days reports, and hole conditions were an ongoing problem), and were taking one at the time, and no company representative from BP was on the rig floor.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:23 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
Like some have said, most of the "inside" information is now public. There's not much else to add other than it's a big f'ing mess. Now that the finger pointing is underway it may get interesting. I did receive this yesterday. The casing profile which most of us in the business had already figured out.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:25 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
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Why weren't there any BP company men on the rig floor
It's likely the gas was on them before any of them could even get to the rig floor. Since the hole was cased off they would have been on a lower alert level.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:41 pm to redstick13
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Since the hole was cased off they would have been on a lower alert level.
Wasn't there evidence of a kick prior to that?
Through back channels (I can't say exactly what or whom) someone I know received an email from someone who is in a high position with a company that has working/revenue interest in the well. It was forwarded to him by mistake, but gave a very detailed account of well instability, and should have required a company rep on the rig floor during that time.
ETA: I know that sounds like the X-files or some shite, but name dropping or even hinting is something I want to stay away from. It's in no way meant to be viewed as a conspiracy theory.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:47 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
Not sure if there was evidence of a kick before or not. If there was, it would have likely shown up while displacing.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:08 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
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illogical and uneducated bullshite that makes this board less fun.
They could just plug it up wid rocks and what not but they dont want to!
Posted on 5/14/10 at 4:23 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
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Why weren't there any BP company men on the rig floor?
the production casing was down and cemented, the casing hanger packoff was installed, the casing was tested, and they had raised the MW to 16.0 ppg (the math here works out to be a riser margin). i imagine the MI personnel were not on the rig floor, but probably at the gumbo box watching for mud / sea water interface.
i probably wouldn't have been on the rig floor either w/ them displacing from mud to seawater. i probably would have either been in the galley trying to eat early, since i knew we were about to pump the balanced plug cement job over night. or i would have been in my office making final review of my cement calculations.
i'm sure there were company men on the rig floor when the negative test was performed as well.
from the report i saw of the day before the kick, it didn't look to me like there was any sort of elevated condition, and no cause for alarm.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 5/14/10 at 4:28 pm to redstick13
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redstick13
hey dude, do you have a less blurry version of that wellbore schematic? specifically looking for the depth of the 9 7/8" x 7" crossover and the weights and grades of 9 7/8" & 7" in the long string.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 5:06 pm to oilfieldtiger
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and they had raised the MW to 16.0 ppg
From the report I'm talking about, this wasn't the MW. 14.2 was the number that I saw.
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from the report i saw of the day before the kick, it didn't look to me like there was any sort of elevated condition, and no cause for alarm.
I read that report also, specifically looking for mud weight and notation of a kick. I saw none, so everything that you stated is factually accurate.
Bare with me for a second, because I'm not trying to play devils advocate or Mr. Conspiracy Man. Look at my history on this board. I've never pushed that nonsense about NK kamikaze submarine drivers and SWAT teams going out to all the rigs to check for terrorists.
I'm only stating this because I saw documentation stating otherwise from a company that has some ownership in the well.
When reporting is done offshore, there's several steps.
1. Drilling contractor fills out their IADC report at the end of every tour.
2. Night Company Man, or dispatcher, goes off of the IADC report almost verbatim. The IADC report, and the Operators report don't have to be exactly identical, but it's got to be pretty damn close. There's always going to be some changes made, and the company man and tool pusher usually sit and work things out if there's a difference of opinion on something.
3. From there, it's sent into the office via email (both Operators office, and Drilling Contractors office). Different companies do this different ways. Sometimes it's a mass email to everyone involved in the plan, and all of the higher ups. Sometimes it's just sent to the lead engineer or superintendent and they pass it around to everyone else.
Here's where things get slippery. The most important copies of the report are the first few pages (like carbon paper, write on top sheet, transfers through several others) of the hand written IADC report. Those cannot be altered. All the IADC books burned up. There's no "real" record for what happened.
The report I saw was an actual morning report for the day of, and day before the incident. Mud weight was not 16. And there was indication that there was well instability.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 5:14 pm to notiger1997
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Yeah, but those of us who are on your side who would really like to read the common sense and factual stuff that you guys post are missing it. I honestly have learned a bunch from you "insider" folks and have used alot of this information in posting on other boards and talking to very ignorant friends/co-workders.
Don't give up the battle of keeping the good information out there. If not, we end up some of the bigger idiots just spreading one lie after
I agree 1000% with notiger1997. You guys keep posting your excellent information and insight.
Do your best to ignore the idiots.
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