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re: 300 blackout for hunting
Posted on 11/10/21 at 4:02 pm to multicampus
Posted on 11/10/21 at 4:02 pm to multicampus
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It's basically a .30-30. You have to treat it as such.
I love this answer. Bingo.
Also, OP if you shoot subs, forget that .30-30 business. Then, .300BLK is basically spicy .45ACP. Subs are for shooting feral pigs suppressed at close range and fun.
I'd take a harder hitting chambering than .300BLK if I were getting a hunt at an exotics ranch. You're likely to encounter heavier animals at distances where the shot placement required to get a kill with .300BLK becomes unforgiving.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 4:12 pm
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 4:10 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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We found a green tip lodged in the side away from the entry hole.
Curious what kind of round he was shooting. Of the plastic tipped bullets, Hornady's are all red, Varmageddon are all black, Barnes are all black. Nosler Accubond are all white and Nosler Ballistic Tip are different colors (green=30 caliber and yellow=22 caliber).
If his buddy was shooting 5.56, green tip likely refers to an M855 penetrator round. Instead of a copper jacketed lead core, the penetrator round has a steel penetration tip in front of a lead core with a copper jacket. The tips of those are painted green to allow them to easily be visually identified over the unpainted FMJ or any of the other round types (tracers, AP, etc.) that have different colored tips for the same ease of identification.
Those penetrator rounds are designed to be obstacle blind so you can get at something in a car, behind a door, etc., and they are designed to fragment less than a FMJ 5.56 round. The FMJ 5.56 round, being a military ammunition, is forbidden by the Hague Convention to be designed to expand on impact. Though the FMJ can't be designed to expand, it does fragment starting at the cannulure (the weakest part of the projectile where the casing crimps on the bullet) when they hit at extreme velocity and start to yaw and tumble. This fragmentation can be violent and can cause a great deal of damage. Since the penetrators are specifically designed not to fragment in this manner, if they don't hit at an angle large enough to get them to tumble, they'll likely just punch small .22 caliber holes in what they hit and that's about it. As a side note, the Hague Convention prohibition on expanding ammo is why you don't see military hollowpoint rounds, but the Hague Convention says nothing about fragmentation.
So, even if an M855 round punches a .22 caliber hole right through a body cavity and is enough to kill, it doesn't have the dead right there impact and devastating damage that an expanding hunting round can do. The M855 penetrator is the wrong tool for the job if you're hunting. It's a great tool if you're trying to take your opponent out of the fight and he's hiding behind a cinderblock wall. Generally, though, the M855 is pretty terrible for anything other than warfighting. Its penetrating capabilities make it a terrible hunting round and a downright frightening defense round since it can just punch right through the target and keep going through other interesting things that might be behind the target... like trees... or other deer... or walls and your kids in the next room. But, people who don't know better think M855 is some kind of magical special ammunition and snap it up.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 6:33 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
I liked the Z Max too. It sounds like dude found an m855 projectile which is asinine. I didn't even read the post you quoted.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:15 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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If his buddy was shooting 5.56, green tip likely refers to an M855 penetrator round. Instead of a copper jacketed lead core, the penetrator round has a steel penetration tip in front of a lead core with a copper jacket.
Thx for the help, Tiger.
I've done my fair share of hunting and shooting, but I'm not as well versed in the AR game. Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:15 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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It's basically a .30-30. You have to treat it as such.
dead on analogy, I often refer to a 300BO as an automatic 30-30.
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exotics ranch
Sometimes charge for wounded game that's not recovered.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:56 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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Thx for the help, Tiger. I've done my fair share of hunting and shooting, but I'm not as well versed in the AR game.
You're welcome.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:03 pm to jrobic4
My kids use it and it great inside of 150 yds
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:26 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Yes, it was an m855 green tip. He still denies it was him to this day, but he was the only one deer hunting with an AR that weekend. My point in all of that was, yes, a 300blk or similar will kill a big bodied exotic, but not right away. To me, it’s not smart unless shooting something in the whitetail or similar size range.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:24 pm to jrobic4
Posted on 11/12/21 at 6:22 am to jrobic4
Shot a nice 10 point last year at 70 yds with a Hornady 110 gr V-Max and it dropped immediately. Actually it flipped over on it’s back, had one spasm them rolled over dead. No exit wound so all of the energy was dumped inside for a quick kill.
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