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re: Beneficial "Invasive" Species?
Posted on 5/14/25 at 2:53 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 5/14/25 at 2:53 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
I am glad you've waged war on it (so have I--if you haven't realized I despise it and am passionate about that despise)
I respect your opinion, but In my opinion Privet has been the most *unsuccessful* and destructive plant in Pine Plantations habitat--compared to other places it grows.
The thing about the pine plantations is such timber stands should not and would not just have bare pine straw absent privet (go look at Lake Ramsey, Money Hill preserve, Research Station in Washington Parish, Old River WMA-Mississippi Side of Pearl River, Desoto National Forest, and other private properties in Tangi/Washington Parishes) that show what a true pine plantation (with proper management) should look like. The pine trees with bare dirt and pinestraw under it are mainly related to pinestraw bailing operations and are just as disastrous to quail and turkey habitat
In the past these Pine Plantations (when privet was not as prevalent and fire was used as a management tool) were full of native grasses, oaks, clumps of briar thickets (where canopy was open), and other brushes/habit.
It should be noted that pine plantations regularly implemented fire and should still implement it. It should be also noted that there is more biomass and browse on a pine plantation/savannah year round, managed via fire, than most other types of habitats we have here in Louisiana.
*edited to fix grammatical error*
I respect your opinion, but In my opinion Privet has been the most *unsuccessful* and destructive plant in Pine Plantations habitat--compared to other places it grows.
The thing about the pine plantations is such timber stands should not and would not just have bare pine straw absent privet (go look at Lake Ramsey, Money Hill preserve, Research Station in Washington Parish, Old River WMA-Mississippi Side of Pearl River, Desoto National Forest, and other private properties in Tangi/Washington Parishes) that show what a true pine plantation (with proper management) should look like. The pine trees with bare dirt and pinestraw under it are mainly related to pinestraw bailing operations and are just as disastrous to quail and turkey habitat
In the past these Pine Plantations (when privet was not as prevalent and fire was used as a management tool) were full of native grasses, oaks, clumps of briar thickets (where canopy was open), and other brushes/habit.
It should be noted that pine plantations regularly implemented fire and should still implement it. It should be also noted that there is more biomass and browse on a pine plantation/savannah year round, managed via fire, than most other types of habitats we have here in Louisiana.
*edited to fix grammatical error*
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 2:55 pm
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:04 pm to BeerThirty
Imazapyr and glyphosate sold as Total Vegetation Control will knock cogon grass out. Just don’t bushhog.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:20 pm to MobileJosh
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When Lewis and Clark explored out West, the rivers and lakes were basically void of fish. They described them as sterile. A few suckers is all they found to eat.
This is simply not true at all. L and C encountered numerous species of fish, mainly salmon and trout. They wrote extensively about the abundance of fish on the Columbia, especially around the Indian fishing villages at Celilo falls.
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The brown and rainbow trout that dominate out West now were all brought from Europe.
Not only are Rainbow trout native to the PNW, they are almost exclusively native. We've actually populated portions of Europe, Australia and Asia with our Rainbow trout, creating for them an invasive species with is hard to control. You are correct that our brown trout were in fact brought over from Europe in the 1,800's.
Not to mention that many native tribes out west's lived off a variety of fish. Some were literally called Fish Eaters.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 5/14/25 at 5:37 pm to dpier16
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It should be noted that pine plantations regularly implemented fire and should still implement it. It should be also noted that there is more biomass and browse on a pine plantation/savannah year round, managed via fire, than most other types of habitats we have here in Louisiana.
This is where we’re diverging. I agree and believe that we’d see turkeys and quail thriving if fire was the primary tool used, but I’m afraid that ship sailed between modern herbicides and the liability risks associated with fire for the industrial growers like Weyerhaeuser. On acreage I see, once those pines are canopied at the density they’re planting, you’re lucky if a little greenbriar makes it up between herbicide treatments. Privet may get top killed but it (as I’m sure you’re aware) will persist and regenerate even if sprayed with imazapyr and can tolerate the density of the pines.
There are rumblings that the industrial operators are listening to the idea of returning fire to the toolbox if lease holders are willing to share the cost. We’ll see.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:29 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
The Boll Weevil
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:02 am to bbvdd
It’s a little more work possibly, but I trace it to the root, lop it off at ground level and spray the stump with imazapyr or Triclopyr, and it’s worked very well with no residual kill. I usually do this in the fall when it starts to cool off.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 12:04 pm to PlaySomeHonk
Fire ants certainly suck, but they have a lot of positives.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 12:53 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
The Spanish reintroduced horses to North America in the 1500s. No animal played a bigger part in the 'taming' of the New World than the American horse. There are Liberals online and morons on Reddit that now claim Native American/Mayan/Incan tribes had horses well before Spanish introduction but no one has unearthed a horse skeleton that is over 700 years old yet on this entire continent ?! We have found 8,000-10,000 year old 'horse' bones but no domesticated bones dating back to 1300 and 1400s. Those damn archaeologists and paleontologists and their need for fossil proof over virtue signals and gut feelings.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:59 pm to SteveLSU35
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Fire ants certainly suck, but they have a lot of positives.
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