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re: Peak rut dates by county...cool tool
Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:42 am to SoFla Tideroller
Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:42 am to SoFla Tideroller
BAma ruts are all over the place because of all the genetic mix between native deer, Ohio transplants and Pennsylvania transplants
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:42 am to TutHillTiger
But it’s accurate where I hunt
Posted on 11/17/19 at 6:55 am to LSUA 75
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Deer are short day breeders.
Correct, so the primary driver is photo period, which can vary by herd.
There are 2 large studies (one in Minnesota, the other by Dr. Karl Miller) that both debunked the moon theory. In Minnesota, they found the average peak breeding was the 2nd week of November. The November full moon ranged from 11/1 to 11/28, but was typically the 3rd week. There was no correlation to moon phase.
While Moreland may base his rut forecast on moon phase (it's actually based on his observations that scraping begins between the new and full moon), the Deer Breeding periods published by LDWF are based on research and data gathered by Moreland during his time as the Deer Study Leader. Moreland has stated before that the variation in rut dates across the state has to do with genetics in the deer herds. The common example is the herds in the Atchafalaya breeding later so that fawn drop is timed to avoid spring flooding, thereby increasing survival.
Based on that Calendar, the peak breeding for Kisatchie near Woodworth is sometime between November 21 and December 4. That's more in line with the New Moon than it is the Full Moon.
I can see the argument for the full moon affect, but I believe it's more of a correlation than a causation. The onset of the rut would vary by almost 2 weeks every year if it were dependent on the full moon. The November full moon was November 4 two years ago, November 22 last year, November 12 this year, and November 30 next year.
I just feel like LDWF couldn't put out a map showing breeding periods that are 2 week windows in time if breeding was dependent on the full moon. I mean, if that date range for Kisatchie is accurate, the deer would have started on or near the Full Moon once in the last 5 years (2018). In 2016, 2017, and 2019, they would have started closer to a new moon than a full moon, unless breeding was started earlier or delayed later to coincide with a full moon.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 7:00 am to BentonTiger7
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Definitely seems early.
Yep. Says the peak in Lincoln Parish is today. Saw 2 does yesterday and neither was being harassed. The buck’s Tarsal glands are just starting to darken up.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 8:07 am to TutHillTiger
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BAma ruts are all over the place because of all the genetic mix between native deer, Ohio transplants and Pennsylvania transplants
Absolutely. Here in the Wiregrass they start running around the middle of the month* through the end of the season.
*ETA: January
This post was edited on 11/17/19 at 8:08 am
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:49 am to SoFla Tideroller
Maybe I am biased because the full moon theory has worked so well for me where I hunt.I made a quick lookup for the last 3 seasons and it has been spot on.In interest of brevity,I’ll use this season as example.Moreland’s rut calendar shows breeding starting Nov.11,full moon Nov.12.I killed 7 point trailing does Nov.14.Yesterday 16th I killed 4 pt also trailing does.He wasn’t small 4 point,just ugly.He had 3 points R antler,no brow tine.L antler 16 inch spike,no brow tine.151/2 in.spread.
Those were first two antlered bucks I have seen,preceding week all I saw was small 3,4 point bucks harassing does.
I have records going back years,after I read Dr.Kroll’s book and it has been very accurate for me.What piqued my interest was my hunting experience in Texas.I went 10 years near Fredericksburg,always opening weekend.Some years it was dead as a door nail,nothing but does and runt bucks.Other years we would see antlered bucks chasing does all over the place.I always wondered why the difference,I speculated it was full moon effect but I didn’t keep records in those days.
One thing I can advocate is stay in the stand.In years past,being in clubs and hunting with other guys very few of them would hunt past 9:30.I have killed more deer after 10:00 than before and years of records to prove it. The two I killed this year were at 9:55 and 1200 noon.
Those were first two antlered bucks I have seen,preceding week all I saw was small 3,4 point bucks harassing does.
I have records going back years,after I read Dr.Kroll’s book and it has been very accurate for me.What piqued my interest was my hunting experience in Texas.I went 10 years near Fredericksburg,always opening weekend.Some years it was dead as a door nail,nothing but does and runt bucks.Other years we would see antlered bucks chasing does all over the place.I always wondered why the difference,I speculated it was full moon effect but I didn’t keep records in those days.
One thing I can advocate is stay in the stand.In years past,being in clubs and hunting with other guys very few of them would hunt past 9:30.I have killed more deer after 10:00 than before and years of records to prove it. The two I killed this year were at 9:55 and 1200 noon.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:19 am to LSUA 75
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Moreland’s rut calendar shows breeding starting Nov.11
Are you referring to the one in the October issue of Louisiana Sportsman? Because that thing is very broad for each area, and considering the breadth of Area 2, there will be some deer that have finished the rut before others have even started. That is if you go by the Louisiana deer breeding periods LDWF puts out there, which is based on years of research by Dave.
I think the moon theory may be fairly accurate at some times, but in your area, were the deer not rutting until late November last year? Or early November 2 years ago? The onset of the rut would change every year based on this, and would mean deer aren't photoperiod dependent if that were the case.
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One thing I can advocate is stay in the stand.In years past,being in clubs and hunting with other guys very few of them would hunt past 9:30.I have killed more deer after 10:00 than before and years of records to prove it. The two I killed this year were at 9:55 and 1200 noon.
I agree with this, except I rarely hunt mornings. Both of the deer I've killed in the last year were between 10:30 AM and 1 PM, within an hour of getting into the woods, and both while stalking.
This post was edited on 11/17/19 at 11:25 am
Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:50 pm to Eli Goldfinger
It’s accurate for Lee Co in South Ga. The warm winters we’ve had have screwed things up the last few years but in my opinion but this year it’s right on.
This post was edited on 11/17/19 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:54 pm to TutHillTiger
I took a wildlife science class at Auburn and we learned a lot of the deer were moved out of the Mobile area to other counties. South Ga has a lot of Wisconsin genetics which explains our rut. People my dads age didn’t deer hunt growing up because they were rarer than turkeys.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:48 pm to REB BEER
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Says the peak in Lincoln Parish is today.
I hunt Lincoln Parish, we usually kill our better deer after Thanksgiving.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:06 pm to plazadweller
All the deer in the southeast were almost hunted to the point there weren’t any.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:12 pm to LSUA 75
I'll say this about moon phase.
Does it matter...to a degree. I always like the backside of a full moon in the early pre-rut because I firmly believe it surprises the bigger , mature bucks a little in the a.m.
I have had more big bucks headed back to their bedding areas on the late side because (what I believe FWIW) that they can't differentiate between the light of a full moon (on a clear night) and the coming first daylight. I think they find themselves farther away from their safe core areas and don't make it back before the light of a new day has brought the woods to a visible state.
When it comes to the rut I'll take a good hard cold front moving in/through 9 times out of 10 to whatever the moon charts say. Seen it too many times to just dismiss it.
Does it matter...to a degree. I always like the backside of a full moon in the early pre-rut because I firmly believe it surprises the bigger , mature bucks a little in the a.m.
I have had more big bucks headed back to their bedding areas on the late side because (what I believe FWIW) that they can't differentiate between the light of a full moon (on a clear night) and the coming first daylight. I think they find themselves farther away from their safe core areas and don't make it back before the light of a new day has brought the woods to a visible state.
When it comes to the rut I'll take a good hard cold front moving in/through 9 times out of 10 to whatever the moon charts say. Seen it too many times to just dismiss it.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:46 pm to plazadweller
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People my dads age didn’t deer hunt growing up because they were rarer than turkeys.
A lot of deer in AL were transplanted from Clarke County back in the late 50s. These deer have a mid-late Jan rut.
Other deer were brought in from the Carolinas and have a mid-late Dec rut (think Okmulgee WMA).
Some areas in N AL had deer transplanted from Michigan. These populations still have their mid Nov rut. Black Warrior WMA is one pocket where the deer retain that Nov rut AND large size.
My dad started deer hunting when they finally got a herd established in Chocoloco around 1960. This was way before AL hunters knew anything about treestands. He would sit next to a tree and smoke cigars while holding his 300 H&H magnum.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:21 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Spot on for Medina Co, Texas
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:57 pm to Eli Goldfinger
We have owned our property for 13 years now and it has the dates spot on.
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