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re: Recommendations on a .338 win mag and scope
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:58 pm to NeilArmstrong1969
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:58 pm to NeilArmstrong1969
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Model 70 Super Grade, it’s a beautiful gun
not wise to hunt with a Super Grade in the back country UNLESS you spend the money and get it pillar and glass bedded. Humidity, rain, snow, altitude, moisture, etc .... will definitely affect the accuracy with a wood stock rifle.
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 5:07 pm to NeilArmstrong1969
Ive a Browning xbolt 300wsm. It's a great caliber.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 6:27 pm to Purple Spoon
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Have you fire large calibers before? If not you need to start practicing soon. A 300 win mag (and larger) has some punch and you don't want to get to the moment of truth and not be confident.
This is the answer. Using a 300 wby mag was the only time I’ve ever missed a large animal. I’m not a big hunter anymore nor do I own that gun but I learned the hard way.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:21 pm to Got Blaze
I’m gonna echo a few others here. I love a beautiful wood/blued rifle but if I’m going to the mountains chasing elk I’m carrying something synthetic and lightweight.
I use a Christensen Ridgeline. With the scope, fully loaded it’s only about 8 lbs.
I use a Christensen Ridgeline. With the scope, fully loaded it’s only about 8 lbs.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:33 pm to boudinman
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Ive a Browning xbolt 300wsm. It's a great caliber
It is a great cartridge pushes 150-180s at 300wm velocity in a shorter action shedding several oz off the gun. Finding ammo for one right now is tough and it’s extremely expensive.
To the OP whatever cartridge you think of going with go to your local store ( Jim’s/bowie/academy) and see what’s available and how many different manufacturers are making ammo for tbat caliber.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:39 pm to NeilArmstrong1969
I’ve been elk hunting in Colorado many times. A 300 WM is plenty of gun to take any North American game animal.
You didn’t say what your budget is.
I would talk to the Davidsons at Gunwerks. They can sell you a package. You can go to their Long Range Academy. It’s good info.
Most shots will be under 300 yards. Unless you go with Gunwerks, then it will be anything under 1000 yards.
You didn’t say what your budget is.
I would talk to the Davidsons at Gunwerks. They can sell you a package. You can go to their Long Range Academy. It’s good info.
Most shots will be under 300 yards. Unless you go with Gunwerks, then it will be anything under 1000 yards.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:56 pm to Got Blaze
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Personally, I'd suggest a stainless, composite stock 30-06 with a 3x9 or 4x12 scope. The '06 will kill elk/moose all day long and has done so for over 100 years. 30-06 ammo is sold everywhere including small sporting goods stores in rural BFE.
Agree with this 100%. It's hard to imagine the 06 as overlooked, but with all the fancy magnums out now it gets lost sometimes for no reason.
OP, if you want a magnum get it, but just keep an open mind.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:22 pm to NeilArmstrong1969
I've killed 2 Elk with a .300 Weatherby Mag shooting 180gr Barnes TTSX bullets and they work very well. If I were going Moose hunting I'd use the same, the TTSX works great and if you need a little more weight the have a 200gr Hornady offering.
Weatherby Ammo
Weatherby Ammo
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:15 pm to Barneyrb
Since OP seems to be really open to suggestions, I'd lean towards a tikka T3 in whatever caliber tickles your pickle, and with the generous budget put a 2.5-10 nightforce on it. You'll be set for life. It's guaranteed to shoot good and will be perfectly reliable and lightweight. Perfect backcountry rifle.
Caliber is the least important part. The .30-06 suggestions are very good ones. It's never a bad choice for anything in North America. If you aren't an avid reloader ammo availability is basically all that matters these days and .30-06 seems to stay well stocked relative to any of the belted mags. It's a very capable cartridge and with a 26" barrel gets you close to .300 win mag performance with less recoil and far less cost to shoot.
Caliber is the least important part. The .30-06 suggestions are very good ones. It's never a bad choice for anything in North America. If you aren't an avid reloader ammo availability is basically all that matters these days and .30-06 seems to stay well stocked relative to any of the belted mags. It's a very capable cartridge and with a 26" barrel gets you close to .300 win mag performance with less recoil and far less cost to shoot.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:35 am to NeilArmstrong1969
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.338 win
It’s a wonderful cartridge.
Probably not the best choice for you for few reasons.
There’s a reason you didn’t find one. It’s not very popular and with good reason.
It’s honestly overkill for elk and maybe moose; just more power than you need and with crushing recoil in return.
Any of the 300 Mags will be adequate and the ammo more readily accessible. I haven’t done elk in a bit; but, I feel like the 300’s, 308 and 30-06 have made up the lions share of guns I’ve seen at both elk and stag hunts I’ve been on.
For moose I’m increasingly seeing hunters opt for slow moving non-Magnum medium and large bores like the 9.3x62, 450 and 45/70. The shots are generally pretty close for moose and a gun capable of reaching downtown isn’t needed.
If you are new/inexperienced I’d really look at the 308 or 30-06. Not only will they be easy to find and get ammo for; they are easy for most shooters to learn and practice with. Modest recoil is your friend; especially as you get a bit older. Those two will also prove more versatile should you find yourself hunting deer, antelope, hogs, exotics.
Looking forward to seeing some pics after the hunt.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:44 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Since OP seems to be really open to suggestions, I'd lean towards a tikka T3 in whatever caliber tickles your pickle, and with the generous budget put a 2.5-10 nightforce on it. You'll be set for life. It's guaranteed to shoot good and will be perfectly reliable and lightweight. Perfect backcountry rifle
I was leaning towards the Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather, but I think your suggestion is what I’ll end up going with. I’m going to make a purchase and get out to the range asap
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:48 am to NeilArmstrong1969
28 nosler with a leupold scope with a custom dial for your gun . That’s my choice .
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:52 pm to NeilArmstrong1969
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leaning towards the Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather,
It's a solid choice, but I couldn't recommend it over the tikka T3 if we're just going to talk practical, and bang for buck. The winchesters are reported to be picky, and there's lots of reports out there of ones that won't shoot well. Tikkas universally shoot well, cost less, and weigh less. It's a more sensible choice. If the goal is to have a rifle that puts bullets where you want them to go for the rest of your life in any environment, a tikka with a nighforce is the right sauce.
.338 win mag is like the American. 375 h&h. It's a very well rounded cartridge and would serve you well anywhere in the world for any game in the world, provided its legal to use. That's why I got one. I can hunt anything from coyotes to cape Buffalo with the same rifle, and I might as well have one rifle that I get along with and shoot everything with it. But, you should get a .300. Id had a fair bit of rounds of .375, .300wm, .45-70 etc in my life and knew a .338 wouldn't be too much for me. I wouldn't recommend to anybody who has the slightest reservations about recoil. It isn't painful. I've shot 50 rounds off the bench in one setting a few times with mine and im not a big dude. I know some experienced rifleman who flat out refuse to try it for fear of getting their teeth knocked out and it'd be a really bad choice of rifle for someone like that. It will punish you for bad form and a lightweight tikka would make it that much worse. Definitely recommend the .300 at the most.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:35 pm to Da Hammer
Da Hammer has it right. I'm a cajun living here out west. I have killed elk and a bison with 300 win mag.
Great choice!
However, I have a harder time finding ammo out here versus 300 prc.
338 is overkill in my opinion, and maybe the world has moved on from 300wm. I have 3 x 300 wm, but if buying today, I'd get 300prc and not look back.
Good luck my friend!!!
Great choice!
However, I have a harder time finding ammo out here versus 300 prc.
338 is overkill in my opinion, and maybe the world has moved on from 300wm. I have 3 x 300 wm, but if buying today, I'd get 300prc and not look back.
Good luck my friend!!!
Posted on 7/18/24 at 6:30 am to WAR TIGER
Not to hijack too badly but went back and forth on 300 win vs 300 PRC for a new rifle to train my son on with a magnum round and long range I picked the 300 win and still going back and forth.
I built and bedded myself and its coming back from GAP Friday! after having them true and blueprint everything.
Hopefully my Mangus clears this week or next and I can make up my mind on optics so I can get going. Already have 8 test loads worked up to start fine tuning. Can't wait and can't wait to see my son ringing steel!
I built and bedded myself and its coming back from GAP Friday! after having them true and blueprint everything.
Hopefully my Mangus clears this week or next and I can make up my mind on optics so I can get going. Already have 8 test loads worked up to start fine tuning. Can't wait and can't wait to see my son ringing steel!
Posted on 7/18/24 at 7:13 am to NeilArmstrong1969
.338 is just not on my list for North American big game. .270, .280, 30-06,.300wm is where you need to focus your energy. I carried a .270 thru the 90's and killed everything including a Kodiak Brown. Moose and Elk never even a second thought with a ,270. The .300wm is even heavy but still somewhat sensible, but def the max I would suggest.
Optics are as good as you wallet is deep. Give me a price range and ill drop you a top 3. I'm not going to sit here and try compare a Kahles and NF to Leupold and Vortex when they are not in the same realm of quality.
Optics are as good as you wallet is deep. Give me a price range and ill drop you a top 3. I'm not going to sit here and try compare a Kahles and NF to Leupold and Vortex when they are not in the same realm of quality.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:07 am to Da Hammer
What powder you using? Retumbo?
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:48 am to ecb
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The .338 will kick the fvck out of you though,
its not that much worse than a 300 wm.
The only real negative is ammo cost and avail.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 12:11 pm to WAR TIGER
I have worked up my first few loads with H1000 and H4350. Expecting the H1000 to be the better but I'll start with that.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 12:27 pm to One More Shot
.270 is a killing machine as is 30-06. I may be old school but don't fix it if it ain't broke.
My girls ain't sexy no more but they still fu#k, and the game ain't getting any tougher to knock down.
My girls ain't sexy no more but they still fu#k, and the game ain't getting any tougher to knock down.
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