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re: Sharks- what’s our stance?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:20 pm to RockoRou
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:20 pm to RockoRou
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they been living for thousands of years, and blame the fish.
We've been killing, manipulating, eliminating, managing all forms of animals for a long long time. Why are sharks off limits?
I'm sitting in a house right now that when it was built it killed and displaced many different forms of life. I don't feel that those forms of life should have the freedom to possibly come kill me because I now live where they once lived.
Dumb would be letting an animal terrorize the waters because you think it has a special "right" to do so.
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 1:35 am to subMOA
The ocean is their home; we have a choice to enter it or not.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:18 am to subMOA
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I’m really thinking that we need to kill the legal limit to keep them in check.
So what do you propose as the legal limit? What size limit? What species are we targeting? Bulls, black tips, hammerheads? Or you just want to kill anything you catch?
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:33 am to TopWaterTiger
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Or you just want to kill anything you catch?
Kill everything until they start getting rare, then back off some.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:42 am to subMOA
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I’ve read articles where it has been shown that sharks have adapted and can now identify boat engine sounds
They've likely been able to do this for a long time.
Supposedly White Tips are attracted to the sounds of a boat sinking. Jacques Cousteau said they were the most dangerous shark in the ocean.
I don't know if its the weather, ocean temps, or what, but activity has definitely picked up. We were about 20 miles offshore and saw a Great White around our boat a few weeks ago. Not necessarily a rare thing (they actually go into mouth of the river channel a bit in Jacksonville) but not something you see every day either.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:43 am to subMOA
Really never understood why people are scared of sharks. Guess it's like snakes, spiders, insects, or anything else.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:50 am to Dale3
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Really never understood why people are scared of sharks. Guess it's like snakes, spiders, insects, or anything else.
I'm not bothered by any of them, but I would imagine the whole "they could eat you" thing kind of makes people jumpy.
That said, vending machines kill more people than sharks per year
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:53 am to subMOA
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I’ve read articles where it has been shown that sharks have adapted and can now identify boat engine sounds
Sharks have been on this planet longer than pretty much everything that's currently living on it. I'd say they've learned to adapt pretty well over the years. Also this tactic isn't unique to sharks, there's a lot of other marine life that does the same thing.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:57 am to VolSquatch
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they could eat you
There's a lot of stuff out there that can eat you, that most people on here come in contact with more regularly than a shark. People are scared of the unknown and things they can't see or understand. Personally I think sharks catch a bad rap.
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That said, vending machines kill more people than sharks per year
Exactly lol
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:31 am to CHEDBALLZ
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They seam to love snapper tails....
They definitely do. Last time we went out offshore, we lost about a half dozen good sized red snapper to sharks. There were 4 or 5 of us fishing one spot, and almost every one of us ended up reeling in the head of a snapper after a shark took out the rear on the way up. You feel a massive pull on your rod, much stronger than any fish I've ever fought, then the line almost goes slack. After about the 3rd or 4th one, the captain said let's all pull up and go to another spot. Happened again later that day as well.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:19 am to TU Rob
22 with a suppressor. They are out of control! 
from snapper rigs to the floaters.
from snapper rigs to the floaters.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:34 am to Turnblad85
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We've been killing, manipulating, eliminating, managing all forms of animals for a long long time. Why are sharks off limits?
I'm sitting in a house right now that when it was built it killed and displaced many different forms of life. I don't feel that those forms of life should have the freedom to possibly come kill me because I now live where they once lived.
Dumb would be letting an animal terrorize the waters because you think it has a special "right" to do so.
They aren't terrorizing the waters. They are eating fish, which is what sharks do.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:52 am to Funky Tide 8
They don’t need to be exterminated but they do need to be thinned out.
The problem with sharks and alligators is the hippies have been very successful in brainwashing the non outdoor public that both are endangered. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
The problem with sharks and alligators is the hippies have been very successful in brainwashing the non outdoor public that both are endangered. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:10 am to PT24-7
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The problem with sharks and alligators is the hippies have been very successful in brainwashing the non outdoor public that both are endangered. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
Gators were pushed to brink of extinction in the 50s and 60s, and 75% of shark species are currently endangered. "The hippies" aren't brainwashing people, but rather trying to protect these apex predators that are paramount to their ecosystems. Humans have shown time and time again that we can't regulate ourselves when it comes to killing things, and destroying natural habitat.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:25 am to Funky Tide 8
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Humans have shown time and time again that we can't regulate ourselves when it comes to killing things,
??? I feel like we've shown the opposite many times over.
here's one:
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Gators were pushed to brink of extinction in the 50s and 60s,
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:26 am to subMOA
I once had a conversation with one of the saltiest men alive (former old frog man, navy diver, charter captain) and he told me shark was his favorite fish to eat. He didn’t specify which kind, but he said shark was his favorite. Might be time to update our seafood menus.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:28 am to Turnblad85
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??? I feel like we've shown the opposite many times over.
here's one:
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Gators were pushed to brink of extinction in the 50s and 60s,
Sorry, I thought that it would be implied, but I meant "without regulation."
And it is legal to catch and keep several species of sharks in the gulf.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 11:36 am
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:47 am to Funky Tide 8
I don't think anyone here is advocating for the extinction of a species. Managing, yes. Not a clean wipe.
Good luck finding the scientist who will give a straight answer as to how much "managing" we can do. I'm guessing they exist but the majority of scientists are more focused on how humans can accommodate animals than vice versa.
Good luck finding the scientist who will give a straight answer as to how much "managing" we can do. I'm guessing they exist but the majority of scientists are more focused on how humans can accommodate animals than vice versa.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:50 am to arczr2
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22 with a suppressor.
Mentioned a bit earlier, but firearms are relatively ineffective in water beyond a few feet. Even beyond a few inches based on velocity of weapon, type of round, angle of shot, water density, etc.
You'd be better off with a shotgun and slug. I recall a Mythbusters episode on it years ago.
The Russians and US both came up with underwater assault rifles in the cold war, but they fired more of a bolt cartridge than a modern bullet.
All that said, I think it's just cost of doing business. Lost plenty of fish to sharks in South FL and the keys over the years. Never thought it was the sharks fault. But, also not opposed to opening the waters more broadly to shark fishing industries
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 11:53 am
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:55 am to Turnblad85
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Good luck finding the scientist who will give a straight answer as to how much "managing" we can do.
I guess that is the big question. The appropriate balance on management is rarely agreed upon, and it often ends up being left to people who shouldn't be making those decisions.
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