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re: Shooting Dogs
Posted on 12/22/10 at 4:36 pm to JackNut
Posted on 12/22/10 at 4:36 pm to JackNut
Although randomly shooting an animal is a felony offense under code 42.092 b2, the Texas penal code does allow for control of depredation by domesticated living creatures including strays under 42.092 f1b
"It is an exception to the application of this section that the conduct engaged in by the actor is a generally accepted and otherwise lawful:
(1) form of conduct occurring solely for the purpose of or in support of:
(A) fishing, hunting, or trapping; or
(B) wildlife management, wildlife or depredation control, or shooting preserve practices as regulated by state and federal law;"
Depredation as defined in TPW code 71.001 (10) "Depredation" means the loss of or damage to
agricultural crops, livestock, poultry, wildlife, or personal
property.
"It is an exception to the application of this section that the conduct engaged in by the actor is a generally accepted and otherwise lawful:
(1) form of conduct occurring solely for the purpose of or in support of:
(A) fishing, hunting, or trapping; or
(B) wildlife management, wildlife or depredation control, or shooting preserve practices as regulated by state and federal law;"
Depredation as defined in TPW code 71.001 (10) "Depredation" means the loss of or damage to
agricultural crops, livestock, poultry, wildlife, or personal
property.
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Posted on 12/22/10 at 4:42 pm to yellowfin
20 Pages so far... 
Is there any gray area in this thread?
Or is it: ALL SHOOTERS VS. ALL NON-SHOOTERS?
Is there any gray area in this thread?
Or is it: ALL SHOOTERS VS. ALL NON-SHOOTERS?
Posted on 12/22/10 at 4:43 pm to Bleeding purple
I'm not talking about
I'm addressing the fact that just because there is a leash law doesn't mean people can kill dogs that aren't on a leash.
I fully recognize and respect that there are times when shooting a dog is legal and justified. Don't try to make this fricking complicated, because it isn't. This is very simple.
quote:
depredation control
I'm addressing the fact that just because there is a leash law doesn't mean people can kill dogs that aren't on a leash.
I fully recognize and respect that there are times when shooting a dog is legal and justified. Don't try to make this fricking complicated, because it isn't. This is very simple.
Posted on 12/22/10 at 4:43 pm to NimbleCat
I think each side keeps saying there is gray area but neither have agreed to disagree
Posted on 12/22/10 at 4:49 pm to JackNut
Well the OP was about dogs running deer on a deer lease and wether you would shoot them so yes it is about depredation control.
I posted it as simple as it is.
There is a leash law that requires owners to control their animal. this law does not give non owners the right to shoot the animal
There is also and exception to the animal cruelty laws that allow for the control of depredation on your land which gives owners the right to shoot animals harassing or damaging wildlife or property
There are also exceptions for animals that are being agressive or dangerous but no one is really disagreeing on that.
There is that not
I posted it as simple as it is.
There is a leash law that requires owners to control their animal. this law does not give non owners the right to shoot the animal
There is also and exception to the animal cruelty laws that allow for the control of depredation on your land which gives owners the right to shoot animals harassing or damaging wildlife or property
There are also exceptions for animals that are being agressive or dangerous but no one is really disagreeing on that.
There is that not
quote:enough for you.
fricking complicated
Posted on 12/22/10 at 4:57 pm to 4X4DEMON
I've not read a word of this thread, but of course you shoot mongrel dogs that repeatidly jack your hunting up. And obviously you never shoot a dog that you think belongs to some decent human. That's the rules. And I've had a prize beagle shot through the hips with a thunderhead. If I ever find out who did it I'll knock his frickin teeth out.
Posted on 12/22/10 at 5:02 pm to Bleeding purple
quote:
"Depredation" means the loss of or damage to...wildlife"
How do you make the jump from a couple dogs jumping up deer and scaring them off to be the same a damaging? When you saw "harrasing" you mean like the dogs are going to give the deer bad dreams?
If the dogs aren't attacking and eating the dear then no depredation is taking place.
Posted on 12/22/10 at 5:02 pm to Bleeding purple
I've never shot a dog, though I used to guide quail hunts for a guy that wanted me to shoot a couple of pointers that would jump the quail and grab em. I couldn't do it, but they hadn't pissed me off. I've never had to make a decision on shooting a dog either, though I have had them run by me on a stand.
BUT... Bleeding Purple has totally owned this conversation. He has said many times that he is giving the owner and dog the benefit of the doubt, not once but twice. And if I'm not mistaken, he originally said that he warns the owner of what could be, on the second visit.
He has also stated that he hasn't had this situation happen, only that this would be his procedure. He's given you laws to back up his reasoning, and has had a pretty even keeled argument since the start.
I think it's time everybody chalked it up to this: Some people look at dogs differently than others. Nobody is going to
change the others mind so let's drop it.
Bottom line, if I spent a couple of grand a year on my lease, drove across the state to hunt it as often as my strenuous job let me, and every time I got there all my deer cams had were dogs and all I saw in the stand was dogs.... Well by God, I'm killing me a dog!!
BUT... Bleeding Purple has totally owned this conversation. He has said many times that he is giving the owner and dog the benefit of the doubt, not once but twice. And if I'm not mistaken, he originally said that he warns the owner of what could be, on the second visit.
He has also stated that he hasn't had this situation happen, only that this would be his procedure. He's given you laws to back up his reasoning, and has had a pretty even keeled argument since the start.
I think it's time everybody chalked it up to this: Some people look at dogs differently than others. Nobody is going to
change the others mind so let's drop it.
Bottom line, if I spent a couple of grand a year on my lease, drove across the state to hunt it as often as my strenuous job let me, and every time I got there all my deer cams had were dogs and all I saw in the stand was dogs.... Well by God, I'm killing me a dog!!
This post was edited on 12/22/10 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 12/22/10 at 5:08 pm to NicoBlues
quote:
Bleeding Purple has totally owned this conversation. He has said many times that he is giving the owner and dog the benefit of the doubt, not once but twice. And if I'm not mistaken, he originally said that he warns the owner of what could be, on the second visit.
Dude, this has never happened. The bottom line is that this is a hypothetical. The ultimate flame.
If I were you I'd shoot a damn dog too. I wouldn't be going home empty handed.
Posted on 12/22/10 at 5:17 pm to JackNut
Yeah you just highlighted the part of my post that discussed a hypothetical situation, and told me it was hypothetical. I know that, which is why I'm saying to move along!!
frick DOGS...!?!?? And frick spikes And armadillos too1!!!1!
frickig dillos, making ms think deer are running through my woods!!!
frick DOGS...!?!?? And frick spikes And armadillos too1!!!1!
frickig dillos, making ms think deer are running through my woods!!!
Posted on 12/22/10 at 5:50 pm to NicoBlues
Dude, this thread reminds me of this one time when I was bow hunting and a damn beagle wouldn't quit running past my stand..........ah, nevermind.
Posted on 12/22/10 at 5:58 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:yes, i would feel pretty good that it was somebody else laying on the floor instead of my kids, wife or me, but, you probably wouldn't know anything about that sort of stuff...BTW, you don't know the law, so if you are in law, might want to try something else, or at least pay attention in class...
bet that'd make you feel really good. Why would that be worth going to jail?
Posted on 12/22/10 at 7:58 pm to NicoBlues
quote:
Bleeding Purple has been totally owned in this conversation
+1
Posted on 12/22/10 at 8:50 pm to AlxTgr
ISWYDT. 
Don't quote me fool, cuz I ain't said shite.
Don't quote me fool, cuz I ain't said shite.
Posted on 12/22/10 at 11:38 pm to NicoBlues
if someone shoots my coon dog at night bc he trailed a coon onto your deer lease I will kick your arse, screw your wife, and burn your fricking camp to the ground.
Posted on 12/22/10 at 11:52 pm to colonialingus
I appreciate this.
Posted on 12/23/10 at 6:49 am to colonialingus
quote:
colonialingus
We got us one of dem bad arse ole miss fans, boys
Posted on 12/23/10 at 7:04 am to NicoBlues
quote:Maybe one of Houston's Nuts?
We got us one of dem bad arse ole miss fans, boys
This post was edited on 12/23/10 at 7:12 am
Posted on 12/23/10 at 7:09 am to NicoBlues
i have been reading this thread off and on the past couple of days. i am kind of up in the subject.
however, i found out last night that our neighbor in mississippi dogs got loose a few days ago. these two family pets (pits) came onto my mom's property and killed one of her horses. these dogs will be shot if seen again and dropped off at the owners house.
i wont kill just to kill but now there is reason.
however, i found out last night that our neighbor in mississippi dogs got loose a few days ago. these two family pets (pits) came onto my mom's property and killed one of her horses. these dogs will be shot if seen again and dropped off at the owners house.
i wont kill just to kill but now there is reason.
Posted on 12/23/10 at 7:29 am to MsandLa
quote:
MsandLa
That is terrible. I can't say that I would blame you.
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