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re: St Francesville buck
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:36 pm to rattlebucket
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:36 pm to rattlebucket
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Deer were reintroduced in sw miss and probably other areas too in the 60-70’s.
This may be a dumb question..... but were deer extinct in Ms?
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:55 pm to terriblegreen
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This may be a dumb question..... but were deer extinct in Ms?
Pretty close to it.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:11 pm to terriblegreen
Deer came to West Feliciana around mid to early 1960s. Old farmer that raised me told me that people were talking about them and there were rumors around 1964 and they were working cows along the river on Fancy Point and he saw his first deer track
Another guy that owns land on the river along bayou Sara near St Francisville said he had heard about deer showing up and saw something run across a railroad track in 1965 and went and found its tracks to confirm that’s what it was.
By the 80s they were Seeing herds of 40 in bean fields
Another guy that owns land on the river along bayou Sara near St Francisville said he had heard about deer showing up and saw something run across a railroad track in 1965 and went and found its tracks to confirm that’s what it was.
By the 80s they were Seeing herds of 40 in bean fields
Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:20 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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nd they were working cows along the river on Fancy Point and he saw his first deer track
84-86ish I can remember hunting and scouting woods in north Louisiana Winfield/Homer and telling all my podnuhs when we would see a deer track. Not a deer just a track!!!!
Facebook groups now filled with folks crying cus they can’t shoot a booner!!
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 1:22 am
Posted on 1/1/21 at 6:58 am to GREENHEAD22
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Wasn't there one close to 200" get shot in town a couple yrs ago? A dentist shot it behind his office?
LINK dentist hunting just behind,between 220 and 230 inches.
I am a patient of his. Ive gone for a cleaning or some work and routinely see deer looking out of the window close to where he got that one. Cool little spot. And he is legit one of the best dentist around.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:27 pm to Btrtigerfan
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but he killed it poaching and had to make up a legit story as to where he killed it.
And you know this how???
Posted on 1/1/21 at 2:35 pm to unclejhim
I saw my first ever Louisiana deer in the fall of 1958, about 5 miles east of Clinton, LA. It was a Buck with about 6 points.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 3:45 pm to turkish
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Genetics has nothing to do with it in a free ranging herd. It’s age and nutrition
You are wrong, and people need to stop spreading this shite.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 4:15 pm to Outdoorreb
Are you aware of the experiments at the MSU Deer Lab? You disagree with the most accomplished deer biologists practicing today?
Take some dinks from the Lower Costal Plain, put them in a pen, feed them well, and in a few generations they’re as big as Delta deer treated the same. It’s pretty black and white.
Now, EPIgenetics is at play, but the origin of introduced deer and their “genetics” is immaterial.
Take some dinks from the Lower Costal Plain, put them in a pen, feed them well, and in a few generations they’re as big as Delta deer treated the same. It’s pretty black and white.
Now, EPIgenetics is at play, but the origin of introduced deer and their “genetics” is immaterial.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 1/2/21 at 7:29 am to WhuckFistle
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Yeah but didn’t know where St Francesville was located at.
And there are monsters in the Red River delta as well, opposite side of the state. Although the Red delta's not quite the same breadth as the Mississippi.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 8:21 am to turkish
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Although genet- ics do control body and antler growth of indi- viduals, they are not the cause of regional vari- ation in body and antler size.
That is a direct quote from the article. Just how a couple bucks on a thousand acre property will have drastically better horns and/or body weight. It is because their genetics are drastically better.
If you are saying that you can’t improve your deer heard by only taking out culls I can agree with that. I can also point you to where Bronson and Steve said you could, but it takes an extremely long time. (If I remember correctly they say it took like 10-15 years to increase the average by 1/2 a point) I could be wrong on that though. I’ll post a link with it after I find it.
And yes I have the utmost respect for them. I have consulted with Bronson on this property.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 12:50 pm to Outdoorreb
So since genetics play a role in a deer having a functioning heart and brain, it also plays a role in antler quality. Ya got me. That’s what the quoted excerpt is saying.
All I’m saying is that Piney Woods region deer are not smaller because of the genetic makeup of the transplanted stock used to establish that herd. They’re small because of what they eat. Do you disagree?
All I’m saying is that Piney Woods region deer are not smaller because of the genetic makeup of the transplanted stock used to establish that herd. They’re small because of what they eat. Do you disagree?
Posted on 1/2/21 at 1:23 pm to turkish
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Take some dinks from the Lower Costal Plain, put them in a pen, feed them well, and in a few generations they’re as big as Delta deer treated the same. It’s pretty black and white.
The old nature vs nurture argument
Posted on 1/2/21 at 1:28 pm to turkish
What are you talking about with the functioning heart and brain?
Yea, I 100% agree with what you said about regional differences because of the difference in soil. You said genetics have nothing to do with the deer in the OP scoring like that. You said it is all nutrition and age. Not every deer has the genetic makeup to score 150” much less 200”.
Have you ever seen a stud come out of the piney woods? Why did he get so big if there isn’t enough nutrients to allow it? It is because of superior genetics that allowed it. That is what is meant when they say “individuals”. Some deer are just gifted and will reach “monster” status as long as they get old enough.
Yea, I 100% agree with what you said about regional differences because of the difference in soil. You said genetics have nothing to do with the deer in the OP scoring like that. You said it is all nutrition and age. Not every deer has the genetic makeup to score 150” much less 200”.
Have you ever seen a stud come out of the piney woods? Why did he get so big if there isn’t enough nutrients to allow it? It is because of superior genetics that allowed it. That is what is meant when they say “individuals”. Some deer are just gifted and will reach “monster” status as long as they get old enough.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 6:16 pm to Outdoorreb
Ok. Sorry. That’s where we’ve gotten crossed up. My first post about genetics was in response to A_bear’s comment about genetics being “not bad” because of where those populations were restocked from, not the OP.
One hypothesis that prompted the study (and was disproven) was that Delta deer could be transplanted today to the Piney Woods to improve antler size. That’s why I thought it was relevant to the post I first responded to.
I don’t think anyone would oppose the notion that an individual animal’s genes impact everything from its antlers to how bad its morning breath is. One thing I’ll never forget is being with a taxidermist that was pointing out all the subtle ways a certain buck was unique. God makes every one of em different!
One hypothesis that prompted the study (and was disproven) was that Delta deer could be transplanted today to the Piney Woods to improve antler size. That’s why I thought it was relevant to the post I first responded to.
I don’t think anyone would oppose the notion that an individual animal’s genes impact everything from its antlers to how bad its morning breath is. One thing I’ll never forget is being with a taxidermist that was pointing out all the subtle ways a certain buck was unique. God makes every one of em different!
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